oops! found it! -- Ivan28283 09:16, 2 January 2023 (PST)

Ivan that's Horizontal TSS, this is vertical TSS - Flyspeck101 --Flyspeck102 19:01, 2 January 2023 (PST)

true, but it's the same setup, just the TSS taken differently. this is a similar case to SDPC / stickspin where the only difference is only visible if you watch your opponent's board, other than that it's the same setup. -- Ivan28283 22:06, 2 January 2023 (PST)

Yes, but usually people still treat different T orientations as different openers, since they lead into different continuations. -- Flyspeck102 23:50, 2 January 2023 (PST)

right, but how different are they? if you remove the T piece, it's the same. in the case of Outlogic SD, it can convert to Stitch too, but the latter has it's own 1st bag which doesn't collide with the former. how would it work with the case of Mountainous Stacking? after all, the page has been mostly plagiarised, with MS1 being Thread Cannon by ginzan3da but held J and MS3 was Maple Stacking by Bacon but with held O. are those different simply because there's a specific piece placed/held? -- Ivan28283 00:28, 3 January 2023 (PST)

That is actually a fair point. I cannot think of any rebuttal so I will just say I just really want an opener named after me. Also Stickspin and Singleyou have different names. -- Flyspeck102 00:00, 4 January 2023 (PST)