T-Spin openers that result in a flat playfield?

Started by Okey_Dokey, July 16, 2017, 02:30:02 PM

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Okey_Dokey

July 16, 2017, 02:30:02 PM
I am looking for openers where you make 2 or 3 T-Spins but active downstack mode immediately afterwards (thus having a rather flat field at the end of the technique, maybe even an empty field).

Let me start with a technique ZeroT posted on Discord. It's a TKI into Imperial Cross (lol at Imperial Cross being useful for a change). I also saw Amemiya taiyō starting with a slightly different version of it.

[fumen]http://harddrop.com/fumen/?m115@zgglIeglIehlAeAtAeR4Beg0RpBtR4Ceg0RpAtzhAe?h0JeAgHXhywHewwLeAAAvhAAAAHhg0Ieg0Ieh0AeAtAexhB?eglJeAAAqgRpGeQ4RpGeR4IeQ4Aezhh0AtDeilg0BtDeglB?eg0AtKeAAApgAtwhwSHexhZeglGewSQaglGewSQaKeAAAJh?wwHexwIewwQeAAAvhAAAA[/fumen][fumen]http://harddrop.com/fumen/?m115@BhR4AtFeR4BtBeg0RpilAtCeg0RpglzhAeh0JeAglX?hywHewwLeAAAvhAAAeVhxhAtFexhBtBeglJeAAAqgRpGeQ4?RpGeR4HeglQ4Aezhh0AtglFeg0BthlEeg0AtKeAAApgAtwh?wSHexhZeglGewSQaglGewSQaKeAAeJhwwHexwIewwQeAAAv?hAAAA[/fumen]

And as a second setup a DT Cannon into Perfect Clear. Again, a technique used by Amemiya. Probably, a little long as opener though.

[fumen]http://harddrop.com/fumen/?m115@agQ4FehlAeR4FeglBtQ4Bewhh0AeglwwBtRpwhg0Be?ywwhRpwhg0CeR4whBtwhRpAeR4glwhg0BtRpAeilwhi0JeA?gHIhywHewwaeAAAvhAAAAugwhFeh0AexhFeg0BtwhBeQ4hl?Aeg0QpBtxwQ4glBeSpQ4xwQ4xwAei0Q4ilJeAAAYgzhAtDe?Rph0BtDeRpg0AeAtilDeg0BeglR4GeR4oeAAAJhwwHexwIe?wwQeAAAvhAAAe2gT4AtDexwhlBtDexwglAeAti0DeglBeg0?xhGexhKeAAAzgwhR4EeRpR4FeRpwhglHewhglHewhhlQeAA?AzgywE8RpwhwwF8RpwhglH8whglH8whhlG8JeAAAzgwhh0E?8Rpwhg0F8Rpwhg0H8BtH8whBtG8JeAAAzgywE8Rph0F8Rpg?0wwH8BtH8g0BtG8JeAAAzgwhh0E8Rpwhg0F8Rpwhg0H8whw?wH8ywG8JeAAAzgilE8RpglAtF8RpBtH8AtwwH8ywG8JeAAA?zgi0E8RphlF8RpwwglH8xwH8wwglg0G8JeAAAzgywE8RpQ4?wwF8RpR4H8g0Q4H8i0G8JeAAAzgilE8RpglwwF8RpxwH8g0?wwH8i0G8JeAAA[/fumen]

noonuus

#1
July 17, 2017, 04:37:03 AM Last Edit: July 17, 2017, 06:46:54 AM by noonuus
Notes on that exact DT canon setup:
If you look ahead far enough you often can know if a PC works or not before you place the 3rd O
Because if you place it at the right side first you can get alot more PC-able sequences

[fumen]http://harddrop.com/fumen/?v115@agQ4FehlAeR4FeglBtQ4Bewhh0AeglwwBtRpwhg0Be?ywwhRpwhg0CeR4whBtwhRpAeR4glwhg0BtRpAeilwhi0JeA?gHIhywHewwaeAAAvhAAAAugwhFeh0AexhFeg0BtwhBeQ4hl?Aeg0QpBtxwQ4glBeSpQ4xwQ4xwAei0Q4ilJeAAAYgzhAtRp?Deh0BtRpDeg0AeAtilDeg0BeglR4GeR4oeAAAvhBdqBAAA[/fumen]


But if you know you can't PC with the sequence you can put the O on the left and transition like this (amemiya also does this):

[fumen]http://harddrop.com/fumen/?v115@agQ4FehlAeR4FeglBtQ4Bewhh0AeglwwBtRpwhg0Be?ywwhRpwhg0CeR4whBtwhRpAeR4glwhg0BtRpAeilwhi0JeA?gHIhywHewwaeAAAvhAAAAugwhFeh0AexhFeg0BtwhBeQ4hl?Aeg0QpBtxwQ4glBeSpQ4xwQ4xwAei0Q4ilJeAAAYgzhAtDe?Rph0BtDeRpg0AeAtilDeg0BeglR4GeR4oeAAAvhBdqBAAAa?gRpBewhCeBtRpBewhQ4CeBti0whR4Feg0whAeQ4GewhAegl?IeglIehlQeAAAagxSBeQaEexSBeQaFeSLIewSglHeQpglne?AAA[/fumen]

which will always work like that if you get the L before S and T after you fired of the DT canon.

And to add another opening to your list, TKI variation into PC:

All those fumens are taken from one of Squirtles opponents in PPT who tried to beat his center 4 wide with that
He got that PC ALOT when he could get that first opening T spin (and without hesitation too)
(unfortunately Squirtle deleted all his VODs        so I don't know what that players name was)

[fumen]http://harddrop.com/fumen/?v115@vhOLNJRwBKpBvsBEmBlhB+jBOeBFqBjhB8lBpnBvpB?aqBxuB[/fumen]

[fumen]http://harddrop.com/fumen/?v115@vhORQJ+tBnmBMqBFhBbpBKfBZbB7WB6aBPdBlsB+oB?snB0sB[/fumen]

[fumen]http://harddrop.com/fumen/?v115@vhOBQJDtBKpB+jBvsBUmBlhBFqBKkBOoB7hB5nBslB?PlBXqB[/fumen]

[fumen]http://harddrop.com/fumen/?v115@vhOBQJDtBKpB+jBvsBUmBFqBHqBKkBOoBjfB5nBsrB?PrBlrB[/fumen]
and some more:
v115@vhPDNJ+jBKpBRwBEmBvsBOeBlhBjXB5dBFqBikB8lB?HlBkpBAAA

v115@vhPDNJ+jBKpBRwBEmBvsBOeBlhBjXB5dBFqBikB8lB?HlBkpBAAA

v115@vhPKJJRwBEmBvsBDtB+jBOeBlhBsbBpdB7XBFqBKkB?PlBHqBAAA

v115@vhPBQJKpBDtBUmB/sBejBlhB7XB8bBudB5eBFqBypB?vpBFqBAAA

v115@vhPDJJBwB+tBMqBykBnmBlsBKkBEnBHtBFrBDtBGsB?RvBRvBAAA

v115@vhPDNJRwBvsBKpB+jBEmBFqBOoBnlB0pBpnBDfBigB?9rBasBAAA

v115@vhPKJJBwBbtBvsB+jBEmBFqBpnBslBlrBOoB7hBKkB?PlBHqBAAA

v115@vhPBQJbtBEmBKpB+jBvsBFqBpnBnlBlrBigBOoBjhB?kpBbpBAAA

v115@vhPKJJBwBEmBvsBDtBFqBlrB+tB7hBvpBaqBOoBslB?hfB5nBAAA

v115@vhPBQJEmBKpBDtBvsBFqBWyBkpBDoBnlBCjB2kB9rB?RlBasBAAA

v115@vhP+NJMqBbpBBwBnmBykBlsBHtBEnBSoBDkBFrBmpB?BsB7qBAAA

v115@vhPKJJBwBvsBEmBDtBFqBWyB0pBboBCjB2kBBgBnlB?9rBasBAAA

v115@vhPDNJRwBEmBKpBvsBWoBFqBDoBCjBkpBnlBlrB2uB?BqB7rBAAA

v115@vhPBQJnmBMqBbpBKfB+tBlsBJlBHtB6kBFrBDoBEsB?GsB7qBAAA

v115@vhPDJJ+tBBwBnmBKfBMqBlsBFrBJlB6kBEnBHtBGsB?jqBDtBAAA

v115@vhPBQJbtBEmBKpBvsBFqB+tBnlBkpBigBpnBOoBDfB?lrB7rBAAA

(im too lazy to combine them all in one)
And the nice thing is: if he knows he can't do the PC with his sequence he can just do the 2nd TSD instead like one normally would do.

Swarley

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July 20, 2017, 04:56:50 PM Last Edit: July 20, 2017, 04:57:26 PM by Swarley
Does it have to be reliable? If not, here's my favorite opening!
[fumen]v115@vhPBQJKpBEmBDtBvsBWoBkfBnbBDeBlhBFqBWxBhsB?iqBDpBAAA[/fumen]

Okey_Dokey

#4
July 23, 2017, 02:21:35 AM
That seems to be a very effectice strategy if you can pull off the PC. It's interesting that you can do 2 T-Spin Doubles into 2-line PC. Wonder if there are much more ways to do that. Probably there are for a T-Spin Single as second T-Spin (and 3 line PC).

Here's the mentioned strategy with 1 bag placed per frame:

[fumen]http://harddrop.com/fumen/?m115@Ehg0BeglBeBtAeQ4i0glCeBtR4RphlAezhQ4RpJeAg?HvhBFqBAAAYhglBeg0BeBtAewhilJeAAA/gilGeglR4CeRp?BtR4DeRpAeBtQeAAAvhBlrBAAAWhg0zhEei0LeAAA[/fumen]

And here 2 slight variations of it (compare the 5th frame):

[fumen]http://harddrop.com/fumen/?m115@Ehg0BeglBeBtAeQ4i0glCeBtR4RphlAezhQ4RpJeAg?HvhBFqBAAAYhglBeg0BeBtAewhilJeAAA9gzhAtBeRpg0Q4?hlBtBeRpg0R4glAtDeh0AeQ4glQeAAeEhAtQaBPwhAtDeBt?CPAtEewhAPAeQaAtQeAAAvhBlrBAAA[/fumen][fumen]http://harddrop.com/fumen/?m115@Ehg0BeglBeBtAeQ4i0glCeBtR4RphlAezhQ4RpJeAg?HvhBFqBAAAYhglBeg0BeBtAewhilJeAAA9gg0zhBeili0R4?BeglRpBtR4DeRpAeBtQeAAevhBlrBAAA[/fumen]

And 2 variations where you need an I piece coming early in 3rd bag instead of an O piece:

[fumen]http://harddrop.com/fumen/?m115@Ehg0BeglBeBtAeQ4i0glCeBtR4RphlAezhQ4RpJeAg?HvhBFqBAAAYhglBeg0BeBtAewhilJeAAA9gRpilDeg0Rpgl?R4Deg0BtR4Deh0AeBtQeAAAvhBlrBAAAghzhKeAAA[/fumen][fumen]http://harddrop.com/fumen/?m115@Ehg0BeglBeBtAeQ4i0glCeBtR4RphlAezhQ4RpJeAg?HvhBFqBAAAYhglBeg0BeBtAewhilJeAAA9gglFei0glzhBe?Btg0hlR4DeBtAeR4QeAAevhBlrBAAAWhRpHeRpMeAAA[/fumen]

And the J piece dropped somewhere else (left fumen works for more first bags):

[fumen]http://harddrop.com/fumen/?m115@AhQ4BtDeglBeR4BtCeglCeQ4i0RphlAezhg0RpJeAg?lAhQahlGexSglQpGewSgWxhIewhLeAAAvhBFqBAAAUhilDe?g0BeBtglwhMeAAAAhBtDewhQ4CeBtilwhR4DeglRpwhAeQ4?EeRpwhJeAAAvhBFlBAAARhi0Ieg0QeAAA[/fumen][fumen]http://harddrop.com/fumen/?m115@8gg0Ieg0glBeBtAeQ4Aeh0glCeBtR4RphlAezhQ4Rp?JeAgHvhBFqBAAAQhglIeglg0BeBtAewhAehlJeAAA9gRpil?Bewhh0RpglR4Bewhg0AeBtR4Cewhg0BeBtDewhLeAAAvhBl?rBAAA[/fumen]
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