Talk:Tetris Guideline

Tetris DS vs. the Guideline
59.87.132.88 wrote:
 * TDS deviates from other compliant games in aspects like level counts, down key behavior, 20g, etc. For "follows closely", only TW would probably be eligible, as it itself defines the guidelines.

We know from the interview with Henk that the Guideline is revised annually: "We have a minimum bar that we create every year". Perhaps the ability to cancel lock delay by pressing Up or Down in the landed state was added to the Guideline between 2002 and 2006. And yes, Henk claims that TDS is guideline compatible: "So we do things like make sure we've got compatibility with the guideline, so people can migrate from mobile to the Nintendo version." --Tepples 23:44, 27 September 2006 (EDT)

Where in the sentence did it say "compatible" at all? The term in the article was "follows closely" not "compatible". The guidelines appears to include recommended but non-mandatory elements, as a game can be guideline "compatible" without B2Bs, T-spin recognitions or even scores (TGMA apparently lacks all of them). Yet while "compatible", such a game would not be following the guidelines closely as it could be doing. As far as that is concerned, is the sentence even necessary? We have no means to know with certainty whether a certain idiosyncratic feature is an allowed deviation from the guideline, an updating of the guideline, or a mere oversight (or whether even certain elements are supposed to be non-mandatory.)
 * i sort of agree. in the interview, henk didn't even know if nintendo included t-spins. there's no telling how much a licensee goes by the books and how much he deviates. i too think tetris worlds and deluxe, the last games made by BPS, must be the most accurate. 66.157.30.102 02:02, 29 September 2006 (EDT)

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 * You mean the Mac backup program? --tepples 11:43, 7 July 2008 (EDT)

This is a trade secret.
The Tetris Guideline is confidential to Henk Rogers. If you design Tetris games, you must comply with the Tetris Guideline, but it isn't publicly available. If you are not Henk Rogers, you do not have permission to access the guideline. Suddenly curious about how Tetris works? Only Henk Rogers is allowed to know how, so you are out of luck. How many times have you wondered how Tetris works but couldn't find out because you don't have permission to access the Tetris Guideline? 108.71.121.94 09:48, 15 August 2017 (PDT)

^^^^^ The above totally makes no sense! Hahahahaha!
 * Yes, but it is true. 108.71.121.94 10:48, 15 August 2017 (PDT)

How? "If you design Tetris games, you must comply with the Tetris Guideline, but it isn't publicly available." All Scratch games are not guideline compliant.
 * However, they may inspire the Tetris Guideline 2, so they don't count towards the score.
 * But Scratch Tetris games not made by us don't serve as ideas for Tetris Guideline 2.
 * Your Tetris games must comply with the Tetris Guideline...if they are ever commercially released. 108.71.121.94 11:01, 15 August 2017 (PDT)

The Tetris Company's authentic games all comply with the Tetris Guideline, but it is not publicly available and is confidential to Henk Rogers. 108.66.232.88 05:12, 16 August 2017 (PDT)

Did you know that the Tetris Guideline is confidential to Henk Rogers? Therefore only Henk Rogers is allowed to access it. 108.71.122.252 04:20, 18 August 2017 (PDT)

= Tetris with lyrics = ♪ Shapes made of 4 colored blocks, like a "T," or a box, come down like falling bricks. You can place them in rows, but everybody knows that this game is called Tetris. ♪ 108.66.232.95 09:09, 17 August 2017 (PDT) No melody? Okay then. https://www.dropbox.com/s/97pxh4wg9ulteo5/lyrics.wav?dl=0 There is no pitch, so he sings in noise.
 * What was the voice? 108.66.232.95 10:08, 17 August 2017 (PDT)
 * Microsoft David, but I used Paulstretch effect in Audacity, with factor of 1 and time resolution of 0.003. This made frequency resolution so low that there is no pitch. Commas and quotes were removed, dot became comma and "T," became T comma.
 * ♪ You can make lots of lines. You can clear 4 lines with an "I." ♪ 108.66.232.95 09:44, 17 August 2017 (PDT)
 * And why do you name things with comma or dot at the end? Like "T," or "I."?
 * It's a grammatical convention. 108.66.232.95 09:49, 17 August 2017 (PDT)
 * Since when TTC has a grammatical convention to call the pieces "T," or "I."? Piotr Grochowski (talk) (contribs) 09:52, 17 August 2017 (PDT)
 * Not TTC's convention. TTC just calls them by their letters. Periods and commas always go inside quotation marks. 108.66.232.95 09:53, 17 August 2017 (PDT) Off topic!
 * ♪ This is a game called Tetris, where you try to make lines from 7 tetriminoes. You can score lots of points, especially if you clear 4 lines at once. ♪ 108.66.232.95 09:54, 17 August 2017 (PDT)
 * Pretty sure everyone will be confused with things like "T,-spin".
 * TTC only uses letter names. So it is T-spin and not T,-spin. 108.66.232.95 09:57, 17 August 2017 (PDT)
 * But you use commas and periods if in quotes. So you say "T,-spin" if in quotes. You are not TTC, are you? Also, isn't it funny that TTC licenses rights of a Scratch game?
 * TTC licenses the rights of Tetris in general, not the Scratch game. I am not the TTC and if it is in quotes, i use "T-spin" instead. 108.66.232.95 09:59, 17 August 2017 (PDT)
 * Then why TTC page says that it licenses the rights of Tetris? And didn't you say that periods and commas always go inside quotation marks, so it's "T,-spin" by your logic?
 * Periods and commas always go inside quotation marks...if they would be there in a sentence. Also, I updated the page so that it now licenses the rights of Tetris in general. 108.66.232.95 10:05, 17 August 2017 (PDT)
 * So when TTC says "A technique, that can be used to get points, is called "T-spin"" you would say "A technique, that can be used to get points, is called "T,-spin,"", right?
 * I would use "A technique that can be used to get points, is called a 'T-spin.'" 108.66.232.95 10:09, 17 August 2017 (PDT)
 * But there is comma in sentence, so wouldn't it go to the quote?
 * Commas before the quote don't go in the quote. 108.66.232.95 10:12, 17 August 2017 (PDT)
 * So TTC's "There is a technique, "T-spin", that allows you to do many things, such as get points." is your "There is a technique, "T,-.spin,", that allows you to do many things, such as get points.", right? The commas and period after the quote are in the quote.
 * Wrong. Quotes within quotes are single quotes, so I use "There is a technique, 'T-spin,' that allows you to do many things, such as get points." 108.66.232.95 10:17, 17 August 2017 (PDT)
 * But by your logic, commas and periods after the quote go to the quote, so you would say "There is a technique, 'T,-.spin' that allows you to do many things, such as get points.".
 * Instead, I would simply use "...'T-spin,'..." 108.71.122.252 04:29, 18 August 2017 (PDT)
 * But there is also a period, so wouldn't it go to the quote too Off topic!
 * Well, since we're here, let's talk about Tetris with lyrics.

Also, several games claim that they are similar to Tetris.
 * You need to update this so that it is now Tetris (general) instead. 108.66.232.95 10:09, 17 August 2017 (PDT)
 * Done. Guess what? Tetris Axis is an American version of Tetris.

= This is confidential! = The Tetris Guideline is confidential to Henk Rogers! Only Henk Rogers is allowed to access it! 108.71.122.252 14:03, 18 August 2017 (PDT)


 * Edit: Checking a little more the guideline is now publicly available. https://www .dropbox.com/s/g55gwls0h2muqzn/tetris guideline docs 2009.zip?dl=0 108.65.81.96 10:30, 8 September 2017 (PDT)

= T-spin shrinking = PTet.png is intended to be used in T-spins, and many T-spin setup articles use it. So each of the four minoes in T must shrink on T-spin.
 * PTet is supposed to be a multi-purpose image. No Tetris game I've seen shrinks the four minoes for the T on a T-spin. 108.66.235.10 11:34, 21 August 2017 (PDT)
 * If you check original upload in http://harddrop.com/wiki/File:PTet.png, it says "Possible alternative for T pieces in T-spin setup pages.".
 * However, it has since evolved into a multi-purpose image: File talk:PTet.png 108.66.235.10 11:49, 21 August 2017 (PDT)
 * Just by you? ... You didn't make PTet, you know...

And look at the great amount of articles that use PTet for T-spins. This means that T-spin shrinking is real!
 * T-spin shrinking is just notation. Plenty of T-spin articles don't use P. 108.66.235.10 11:58, 21 August 2017 (PDT)
 * You call a different block style notation?
 * Rotation centers are notation. Arrows are notation. T-spin shrinking is notation. None of these appear in the game. 108.66.235.10 12:19, 21 August 2017 (PDT)
 * Rotation centers and arrows are symbols. Small is a style of block.
 * So is SRS / ARS / The New Tetris / Game Boy. Small block styles are to emphasize the current block. 108.66.235.10 12:28, 21 August 2017 (PDT)

= Changes = Some of the rules used to be not mandatory in Guideline, and only 2 hidden rows were needed, until the anonymous user changed it!
 * No, from what I can tell, there are 20 hidden rows, and there must be 3 next pieces. 108.65.82.35 04:51, 30 August 2017 (PDT)

NullpoMino uses 3 hidden rows in its STANDARD rule. And many Guideline games don't have Katjusha or Kalinka.
 * That was 2002. 108.65.82.35 05:02, 30 August 2017 (PDT)
 * If that would be the case, then NullpoMino would have switched default. Also note the row "Known guideline version" and see that non-2002 guideline games also may not have these songs.
 * Sometimes, they may break a trait shared by many other guideline games --a lot of guideline games may have Katyusha/Kalinka. It's hard to explain it. 108.65.82.35 05:26, 30 August 2017 (PDT)
 * Yeah, the guideline does include non-mandatory elements, so we think they are mandatory. 108.65.82.35 05:27, 30 August 2017 (PDT)
 * Piotr Grochowski (talk, contribs) 05:32, 30 August 2017 (PDT)