My Rant Thread

[CorrosiveX]

**DISCLAIMER** This is my thread to talk about whatever I want, which I am able to do in this General Discussion forum. I'm not starting this thread in any attempt to attract any attention or controversy for myself or to stir up any conflict. If you want to glance over my thread from time to time you might find something that really interests you. There is no need to troll or trash this thread, I don't want to hear it, nor am I angry toward anyone of anything that is going on on the "Tetris scene." Anything I talk about here reflects my beliefs 100%, and I'm gonna talk about things that I think are highly important, and beneficial to anyone who listens and accepts it.

September 12, 2011:

I didn't want to start the blog thread this way, but, being that yesterday was the 10 year anniversary of 9/11, and that I am big into 9/11 Truth and awareness of Building 7 for about two years now, I have to start with saying that for those who do not know, the events that took place on 9/11 were a false flag attack, a government conspiracy, and a betrayal of the American people. The two towers fell by controlled demolition, and it is unarguable that Building 7 completely fell by controlled demolition, which most people haven't even heard about. Although it may make you sick to your stomach, it's better that you know the truth.

[!--quoteo--][div class=\\\'quotetop\\\']QUOTE[/div][div class=\\\'quotemain\\\'][!--quotec--]One would think that if a handful of Arabs managed to outwit not merely the CIA and FBI but all 16 US intelligence agencies, all intelligence agencies of our allies including Mossad, the National Security Council, the State Department, NORAD, airport security four times on one morning, air traffic control, etc., the President, Congress, and the media would be demanding to know how such an improbable event could occur. Instead, the White House put up a wall of resistance to finding out, and Congress and the media showed little interest. During the decade that has passed, numerous 9/11 Truth organizations have formed.

There are Architects and Engineers for 9/11 Truth, Firefighters for 9/11 Truth, Pilots for 9/11 Truth, Scholars for 9/11 Truth, Remember Building 7.org, and a New York group which includes 9/11 families. These groups call for a real investigation. -Dr. Paul Craig Roberts[/quote]

It was Chubakaz/Apocalypse who had me watch Zeitgeist II: Addendum online one day. Watching this film led me to understanding all about how our government runs and operates, as well as other things like the idiocy of our monetary system, the Bilderberg Group, and the New World Order. Out of the thousands of videos like this on Youtube I found two 10:00 video segments which in my opinion do the best justice of explaining what really happened on September 11th:

For more information, here is a link to the 9/11 News Archive on Infowars.com: http://www.infowars.com/category/september-11/
Also take a look at: http://world911truth.org/wtc-building-7-co...-reality-check/

Bible verse of the day:
"Everyone who calls on the name of the Lord will be saved." Acts 2:21

[Paradox]

Personally, I think it was aliens.

[Rosti_LFC]

It was actually Corrosive who masterminded the whole thing. He's just posting this thread as part of an elaborate (but relatively not that elaborate compared the claims in there) cover-up.

But maybe he enlisted the help of aliens. IDK

[DAS44]

Can't we have some reverence for the lives lost for once? Instead of speculating who did it, why don't we just recognize the terrible loss of life, and the incredible outpouring of help from thousands of brave responders? Posting this so close to the ten year anniversary of the 9/11 attacks is disrespectful, irreverent, and utterly disgusting to me.

The mendacious message promoted in the videos you posted makes it even worse to me. A real planned implosion does not spew debris in such a way, to my experience (I've seen many videos of demolitions over the years).

Corrosive, I don't believe I'm the only one who thinks you're overstaying your welcome.

You started a thread you knew would attract attention, and controversy. Saying the opposite doesn't make it any better. General discussion should not include blatantly inflammatory posts like this, this is asinine. Sure I'm participating, but when you start a thread you have to weigh and measure. If it is bound to cause a fight, don't start it, making some ridiculous disclaimer saying that was not your intent doesn't fix the fact that it is inevitable (and it's obvious you thought out the possibility in depth).

[Xenogenesis]

E: making a bad thread worse

[Rosti_LFC]

Anything I talk about here reflects my beliefs 100%, and I'm gonna talk about things that I think are highly important, and beneficial to anyone who listens and accepts it.

And if, in the interests of what I believe, I can get the same liberties you get (and on a post here, because making my own thread just to have the same apparent privileges would be stupid):

Almost all the "evidence" in that video is questionable, the logic and conclusions drawn are extremely shaky, and a lot of the claims that they make are not only unscientific and unsound themselves, but have actually explicitly been shown to be incorrect, and have been given perfectly reasonable and scientifically sound explanations.

I honestly don't understand how people could be stupid enough to believe that the US government could simultaneously pull off a stunt as outrageous as 9/11 being an inside job, without a single one of the tens of thousands of people that it must have involved whistleblowing the whole operation, and at the same time manage to do such a half-assed job as to leave enough "evidence" to support videos like that.


I could go into detail debunking individual points, but I can't be bothered. I've done it before with Corrosive, and apparently the fact that I'm finishing a masters in Engineering at Cambridge this year, and actually have a pretty good knowledge of structural mechanics, have been lectured by the guy who wrote a paper explaining how the towers fell so quickly (as documented in this BBC article), none of these things mean anything. Screw that I have enough knowledge on structural construction and structural failure to be able pursue a career in it if I so wish- it's worthless. In actual fact, it just mean I'm brainwashed and/or in on the conspiracy.

As a non-American, I don't have quite the same emotional attachment to 9/11 as US citizens might, but I think that anyone using the pretext of "10 years on" to spread such stuff is deeply disrespectful. Those videos are nothing but shameless cashing in on an event like that, on people's ignorance and fascination with conspiracies and drama, and on the fact that it's a lot easier to create a compelling lie than it is to prove the truth. It's disgusting that people can make fair sums of money from stuff like this, and it's almost as disgusting that people like yourself would take any opportunity to push it onto more people.

[CorrosiveX]

[!--quoteo--][div class=\\\'quotetop\\\']QUOTE[/div][div class=\\\'quotemain\\\'][!--quotec--]Can't we have some reverence for the lives lost for once? Instead of speculating who did it, why don't we just recognize the terrible loss of life, and the incredible outpouring of help from thousands of brave responders? Posting this so close to the ten year anniversary of the 9/11 attacks is disrespectful, irreverent, and utterly disgusting to me.

The mendacious message promoted in the videos you posted makes it even worse to me. A real planned implosion does not spew debris in such a way, to my experience (I've seen many videos of demolitions over the years).

Corrosive, I don't believe I'm the only one who thinks you're overstaying your welcome.

You started a thread you knew would attract attention, and controversy. Saying the opposite doesn't make it any better. General discussion should not include blatantly inflammatory posts like this, this is asinine. Sure I'm participating, but when you start a thread you have to weigh and measure. If it is bound to cause a fight, don't start it, making some ridiculous disclaimer saying that was not your intent doesn't fix the fact that it is inevitable (and it's obvious you thought out the possibility in depth).[/quote]

Maybe you didn't know that many families of victims, fire fighters, police officers, architects, etc. are all pushing for a new investigation into 9/11? Trying to force the mainstream media to come clean about the 9/11 lies isn't disrespectful in any way, it's just supporting the truth. Informing people about this is in no way inflammatory or asinine, or disrespectful. I think you're asinine DAS44, and it's funny that some noob like you to this community thinks they should be telling me that I've "overstayed my welcome." I know a lot of people prefer to be ignorant, and are offended by real truth, but I'm not one of them.

"For whatever is hidden is meant to be disclosed, and whatever is concealed is meant to be brought out into the open." Mark 4:22

[!--quoteo--][div class=\\\'quotetop\\\']QUOTE[/div][div class=\\\'quotemain\\\'][!--quotec--]I could go into detail debunking individual points, but I can't be bothered. I've done it before with Corrosive, and apparently the fact that I'm finishing a masters in Engineering at Cambridge this year, and actually have a pretty good knowledge of structural mechanics, have been lectured by the guy who wrote a paper explaining how the towers fell so quickly (as documented in this BBC article), none of these things mean anything. Screw that I have enough knowledge on structural construction and structural failure to be able pursue a career in it if I so wish- it's worthless. In actual fact, it just mean I'm brainwashed and/or in on the conspiracy.[/quote]

Try debunking these 20 facts:

Number 1; On the FBI's most wanted list Osama Bin Laden is not charged with the crimes of 911. When I called the FBI to ask them why this was the case, they replied: "There's not enough evidence to link Bin Laden to the crime scene," I later discovered he had never even been indicted by the D.O.J. -Charlie Sheen

Number 2; FBI translator Sibel Edmonds, was dismissed and gagged by the D.O.J. after she revealed that the government had foreknowledge of plans to attack American cities using planes as bombs as early as April 2001. In July of '09, Mrs. Edmonds broke the Federal gag order and went public to reveal that Osama Bin Laden, Al Qaeda and the Taliban were all working for and with the C.I.A. up until the day of 9/11.

Number 3; The following is a quote from Mayor Giuliani during an interview on 9/11 with Peter Jennings for ABC News. "I went down to the scene and we set up headquarters at 75 Barkley Street, which was right there with the Police Commissioner, the Fire Commissioner, the Head of Emergency Management, and we were operating out of there when we were told that the World Trade Center was going to collapse. And it did collapse before we could actually get out of the building, so we were trapped in the building for 10, 15 minutes, and finally found an exit and got out, walked north, and took a lot of people with us."
WHO TOLD HIM THIS??? To this day, the answer to this question remains unanswered, completely ignored and emphatically DENIED by Mayor Giuliani on several public occasions.

Number 4; In April 2004, USA Today reported, "In the two years before the Sept. 11 attacks, the North American Aerospace Defense Command conducted exercises simulating what the White House says was unimaginable at the time: hijacked airliners used as weapons to crash into targets and cause mass casualties." One of the targets was the World Trade Center.

Number 5; On September 12th 2007, CNN's 'Anderson Cooper 360′, reported that the mysterious "white plane" spotted and videotaped by multiple media outlets, flying in restricted airspace over the White House shortly before 10am on the morning of 9/11, was in fact the Air Force's E-4B, a specially modified Boeing 747 with a communications pod behind the cockpit; otherwise known as "The Doomsday Plane".
Though fully aware of the event, the 9/11 Commission did not deem the appearance of the military plane to be of any interest and did not include it in the final 9/11 Commission report.

Number 6; Three F-16s assigned to Andrews Air Force Base, ten miles from Washington, DC, are conducting training exercises in North Carolina 207 miles away as the first plane crashes into the WTC. Even at significantly less than their top speed of 1500 mph, they could still have defended the skies over Washington well before 9am, more than 37 minutes before Flight 77 crashes into the Pentagon, however, they did not return until after 9:55am.
Andrews AFB had no armed fighters on alert and ready to take off on the morning of 9/11.

Number 7; WTC Building 7. Watch the video of its collapse.

Number 8; Flight 93 is fourth plane to crash on 9/11 at 10:03am. V.P. Cheney only gives shoot down order at 10:10-10:20am and this is not communicated to NORAD until 28 minutes after Flight 93 has crashed.
Fueling further suspicion on this front is the fact that three months before the attacks of 9/11, Dick Cheney usurped control of NORAD, and therefore he, and no one else on planet Earth, had the power to call for military sorties on the hijacked airliners on 9/11. He did not exercise that power. Three months after 9/11, he relinquished command of NORAD and returned it to military operation.

Number 9; Scores of main stream news outlets reported that the F.B.I. conducted an investigation of at least FIVE of the 9/11 hijackers being trained at U.S. military flight schools. Those investigations are now sealed and need to be declassified.

Number 10; In 2004, New York firefighters Mike Bellone and Nicholas DeMasi went public to say they had found the black boxes at the World Trade Center, but were told to keep their mouths shut by FBI agents. Nicholas DeMasi said that he escorted federal agents on an all-terrain vehicle in October 2001 and helped them locate the devices, a story backed up by rescue volunteer Mike Bellone.
As the Philadelphia Daily News reported at the time, "Their story raises the question of whether there was a some type of cover-up at Ground Zero."

Number 11; Hundreds of eye witnesses including first responders, fire captains, news reporters, and police, all described multiple explosions in both towers before and during the collapse.

Number 12; An astounding video uncovered from the archives shows BBC News correspondent Jane Standley reporting on the collapse of WTC Building 7 over twenty minutes before it fell at 5:20pm on the afternoon of 9/11. Tapes from earlier BBC broadcasts show news anchors discussing the collapse of WTC 7 a full 26 minutes in advance. The BBC at first claimed that their tapes from 9/11 had been "lost" before admitting that they made the "error" of reporting the collapse of WTC 7 before it happened without adequately explaining how they could have obtained advance knowledge of the event.
In addition, over an hour before the collapse of WTC 7, at 4:10pm, CNN's Aaron Brown reported that the building "has either collapsed, or is collapsing."

Number 13; Solicitor General Ted Olson's claim that his wife Barbara Olsen called him twice from Flight 77, describing hijackers with box cutters, was a central plank of the official 9/11 story.
However, the credibility of the story was completely undermined after Olsen kept changing his story about whether his wife used her cell phone or the airplane phone. The technology to enable cell phone calls from high-altitude airline flights was not created until 2004. American Airlines confirmed that Flight 77 was a Boeing 757 and that this plane did not have airplane phones on board.
According to the FBI, Barbara Olsen attempted to call her husband only once and the call failed to connect, therefore Olsen must have been lying when he claimed he had spoken to his wife from Flight 77.

Number 14; The size of a Boeing 757 is approximately 125ft in width and yet images of the impact zone at the Pentagon supposedly caused by the crash merely show a hole no more than 16ft in diameter. The engines of the 757 would have punctured a hole bigger than this, never mind the whole plane. Images before the partial collapse of the impact zone show little real impact damage and a sparse debris field completely inconsistent with the crash of a large jetliner, especially when contrasted with other images showing airplane crashes into buildings.

Number 15; What is the meaning behind the following quote attributed to Dick Cheney which came to light during the 9/11 Commission hearings? The passage is taken from testimony given by then Secretary of Transportation Norman Mineta.
During the time that the airplane was coming in to the Pentagon, there was a young man who would come in and say to the Vice President, "The plane is 50 miles out." "The plane is 30 miles out." And when it got down to "the plane is 10 miles out," the young man also said to the Vice President, "Do the orders still stand?" And the Vice President turned and whipped his neck around and said, "Of course the orders still stand. Have you heard anything to the contrary?"
As the plane was not shot down, in addition to the fact that armed fighter jets were nowhere near the plane and the Pentagon defensive system was not activated, are we to take it that the orders were to let the plane find its target?

Number 16; In May 2003, the Miami Herald reported how the Bush administration was refusing to release a 900-page congressional report on 9/11 because it wanted to "avoid enshrining embarrassing details in the report," particularly regarding pre-9/11 warnings as well as the fact that the hijackers were trained at U.S. flight schools.

Number 17; Top Pentagon officials cancelled their scheduled flights for September 11th on September 10th. San Francisco Mayor Willie Brown, following a security warning, cancelled a flight into New York that was scheduled for the morning of 9/11.

Number 18; The technology to enable cell phone calls from high-altitude airline flights was not created until 2004, and even by that point it was only in the trial phase. Calls from cell phones which formed an integral part of the official government version of events were technologically impossible at the time.

Number 19; On April 29, 2004, President Bush and V.P. Cheney would only meet with the commission under specific clandestine conditions. They insisted on testifying together and not under oath. They also demanded that their testimony be treated as a matter of "state secret." To date, nothing they spoke of that day exists in the public domain.

Number 20; A few days after the attack, several newspapers as well as the FBI reported that a paper passport had been found in the ruins of the WTC. In August 2004, CNN reported that 9/11 hijacker Ziad Jarrah's visa was found in the remains of Flight 93 which went down in Shanksville, Pennsylvania.

At least a third of the WTC victim's bodies were vaporized and many of the victims of the Pentagon incident were burned beyond recognition. And yet visas and paper passports which identify the perpetrators and back up the official version of events miraculously survive explosions and fires that we are told melted steel buildings.

From: http://www.infowars.com/twenty-minutes-with-the-president/

[Paradox]

yap, def aliens.

[Paradox]

Think about it.

[CorrosiveX]

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[tr3_tris]

tbh, the truth about 9/11 will never come out and whoever killed those people will never pay for his crimes
be it bin laden's terrorists or anyone else

edit:
about the controlled demolition:
to do a controlled demolition you need to place MILES of wires, and the explosives too, do you really think no one noticed before? (it's not like no one was visiting those buildings since weeks)
they went down like a controlled demolition because the heat generated by the explosion "melt" the steel which was keeping up the building

[Rosti_LFC]

lol

seriously lol

You do realise that these videos aren't proof of anything? You do realise that all of the "facts" they contain have the potential to be completely fabricated? Have you done any sort of work yourself to establish that any of the things they say are credited and genuine (inb4 the convenient "it can't be established to be genuine because of government silencing"). It doesn't even have to be the perpetrators of those videos that have directly made this sort of thing up - there's plenty of people making up stuff for lulz on the internet. Or they're from media reports, which can be highly unreliable themselves (and are again profit-motivated by sensationalism and therefore encouraged to bend the truth somewhat).

You're just taking these guys to be speaking the truth word for word without the slightest questioning of whether it actually is true. You're just as blinkered and narrow-minded as you claim people are by believing the official version of events.

It's funny how many of those "facts" actually don't necessarily point to any sort of conspiracy at all, but are perfectly reasonable without any sort of government conspiracy (1, 2, 3, 4, 6, 8, 9, 10, 11, 15, 16, 17). It's totally trademark for these sorts of things to take events that have potential to be evidence to a conspiracy, and to just present them as that, and totally ignore any plausible alternative explanation. And many out of those twenty are, in my opinion, actually pretty good evidence that the government didn't do it, because if the US government was capable enough to pull something like that off, I seriously doubt they'd F*** up extremely basic things like making the sizes of holes in buildings large enough, creating unnecessary but "suspicious" sequences of events, or getting stories straight.

I probably won't bother arguing past this post, because there's really no point. Your ego is too ridiculously huge for me to ever convince you that you could be wrong, even if I really do spend most of today gathering evidence and presenting logical arguments to why you're totally incorrect. You don't understand how arguing works, and every time I explain why you're being an idiot, instead of listening or even attempting to counter what I say, you just present me with more videos and audio files that I really can't be arsed wasting my time on. I only really posted in the first place to dissuade other people who might be naive enough to believe your crap. I have better things to do, and I'd hope at least the majority of the people on here are sensible enough to not believe you.

If anything I quite like posts like these, because they just undermine people's respect and opinion of you even more, and make fewer people take you seriously when you're trying to argue about less ridiculous things. It's good that you regularly bother to make threads like these just so the new members of the community can see what a total crackpot you are and know first-hand not to take you seriously.

[Paul676]

What happened before the blood of Jesus? Everyone died by ghosts? Because fo'sho Noah's flood happened before Jesus...

[DAS44]

Maybe you didn't know that many families of victims, fire fighters, police officers, architects, etc. are all pushing for a new investigation into 9/11?

Actually, several of my close friends who live in New York lost family (and friends, particularly one who worked for NYPD during 9/11 cataloging everything they found). I've seen how it effected them. I guarantee, he who worked for NYPD was not, and still would not be concerned with the bulls*** you're promoting, while he was sporting through clothes, briefcases, even body parts. Don't tell me I'm ignorant on this topic, because it only exposes your true mental blocks.

In no way inflammatory? Look man, your opinion is your own, but some opinions are bound to attract negative attention.

If you're too fu**ing stupid to understand how consequential, and false the videos you promoted were, you can keep going that way, too ignorant to listen to those who know what the hell they're talking about (Rosti), or too obstinate to learn in depth for your own instead of believing some ridiculous controversy concocted with the exact intent of infecting the minds of certain people, who may be more naive, or more radical. You can continue being a pawn in their scheme to get rich, or you can learn to respect the truth.

You called me a noob? Damn, you're just lending me credibility here man. I'm somewhat sorry you feel that way, but honestly, you're pathetic. You are a pitiful excuse for a reasonable human being, one who continually posts surpassingly gormless posts in a sad attempt to get attention.

"A... blain on the universe, he who seperates himself from the reason of our common nature because he is displeased with what comes to pass" - Marcus Aurelius

If you are displeased with the logical conclusions of everyone else, refrain from trying to infect everyone else.

I'll have no more of this myself, you are obviously either too stupid to see reason, or too set in your ways to actually listen. By the way I did watch those videos.

[Paradox]

What happened before the blood of Jesus? Everyone died by ghosts? Because fo'sho Noah's flood happened before Jesus...

Actually ghosts aren't even biblical lol.