There has been a project that has been in the works for several weeks now - I hinted it in my 2 months blog, and it's nearing completion. We hope you like it - we should be done in maybe 3 days (still doing some finishing touches).
A self-updating Records/Leaderboard for members to submit their scores on. This should take away the hassle of having to constantly update/sort a record thread with the current records, as members will now submit their record and it will automatically be sorted/updated on the leaderboard (3mb max for the file attachment). It will automatically know who submitted the score by their login name, and it has the ability to attach a screenshot or replay file to your record for other members to download. It will be 1 records webpage seperated by games and game modes so people can view all records easily without jumping from webpage to webpage, if a game has no record entries it will be hidden from view. There is a records filter to filter only the game mode you want to view, date submitted tracking, country flag shown if you want to, and if you break your record for a game mode just submit your new record and it will replace your old one automatically. A tricky part was to have some records sort by score ascending (40L times, etc) and some sort by descending, (points, score, wifi-rating). Once it's released, the leaderboard will be fresh and blank - so we hope you guys fill it out with your personal records. We know there won't be alot of records at the start, but our goal is that it'll build up once the site gets bigger and has been up longer. Every submitted score will have the players name linked to their profile - along with the game names clickable to the game's information in the wiki. The records page will be viewable for everybody, even people who aren't members and aren't logged in - but only registered members can submit a score. We put alot of thought & time into this, hope you guys like it.
When it's completed in a few days, we'll be changing the blue account button to the Records button and making an account link next to the my page/log out links.
As of right now, I'm not sure whether we will continue to keep the records subforum open for records discussion, or just have record discussions done in the Tetris section. What do you guys think?
What I need from you guys:
A list of games and game modes you'd like to see on the leaderboard dropdown list to choose from when you are submitting your score, and their score format (S9 @ 3:13:48) etc. Clone records are okay too on the leaderboard, so include them in your request. Thanks babies.
Current list of games:
Blockbox Block Driller
Cell Phone Tetris (what game is this?)
Cultris Longest Combo
Gameboy Tetris DX
TGM (what are the modes?)
TGM2 (what are the modes?)
TGM3 (what are the modes?)
Tetris DS Wifi Rating (maybe)
Tetris DS Classic
Tetris Evolution Cascade
Tetris Evolution Marathon
Tetris Evolution Race 40 Lines
Tetris Evolution Ultra
Tetris Friends 1989
Tetris Friends Marathon
Tetris Friends N-Blox
Tetris Friends Sprint
Tetris Friends Survival
Tetris Friends Ultra
Tetris Online Japan Challenge
Tetris Online Japan Marathon
Tetris Online Japan Time Attack
Tetris Party Balance Board
Tetris Party Field Climber
Tetris Party Marathon
Tetris Party Shadow
Tetris Party Stage Racer
Tetris Splash 40 Lines
Tetris Splash Marathon
Tetris Zone Challenge
Tetris Zone Marathon
Tetris Zone Master
Tetris Zone Sprint
Texmaster2009 Special Ti
Texmaster2009 Sudden Ti
Should I add these:?
Tetris Worlds - No (thanks goldplateddish)
The New Tetris
Yes I realize alot of these games are going to be empty or only have 1 or 2 entries , but over time maybe other players who sign up to the site play them too and will want to submit their record. I'm thinking long term people!
For realsies? Very nice!
This is awesome thanks for doing all this blink My original thought on whether or not the records section should be left as is was that it should, but looking at it now I'm not so sure.. I think we can do away with it and have like you said record discussions in the tetris forum. The list looks great right now, if I think of any others I'll be sure to update this post :]
Update: I was thinking of the single player games on tetrinet and tetrifast. They do vary a bit from server to server but maybe include the more universal ones like single and 7 tetris? Oh and no need to worry about some records being blank blink! The more complete a list the better imo. Anyway here is a list of games on tetridome.com:
Tetrinet: blockracer500_sns, 7tris, blockracer, survival, blockracer500, 7tris_sns, blockracer_sns and survival_sns
Tetrifast: blockracer500_sns, 7tris, blockracer, survival, blockracer_sns, 7tris_sns, blockracer500 and survival_sns
So maybe when entering this in have which server there on be visible?
Can you really update the TDS wi-fi rankings in real time? Awesome.
Darn, that would've been cool... We should petition Nintendo to restart that service.
Woot! Good stuff babe.
Nice, now everyone can see how crappy I am!
Wow, that's awesome! Good stuff hunny buns.
I think games which already have online official leaderboards don't need inaccurate duplicate boards. This means no BB, no TOJ, no TP, and such.
cool, looking forward to it.
i can see where Kevin is coming from, because there's going to be more competition on the official leaderboards that include everybody. but i guess that doesn't work for some games for reasons you gave, Blink. i'd like to add that in Blockbox some people have duplicate names, and that's messing up the official leaderboard a little, so having BB records at harddrop could be better.
oh this is awesome. Would there be able to have a "best player" on the average of all of them or is that thinking too far ahead
sorry goob lol, there is no "BEST" tetris player imo, and even if there was it would be too hard to calculate and weigh which game has more significance over others and etc.
This sounds awesome! I think it's a good idea to have leaderboards even if games already have leaderboards, because it's cool to see what people here are doing, and who knows when those leaderbards might just disappear one day. Will we be able to click and see all of a user's records for various games in one glance?
GB and NES Tetris:
Aside from marathon, can we also have leaderboards for Game B that go according to the maximum level+height cleared (and secondarily by score)?
GB Tetris DX:
The counter is pretty easy to break at 9,999,999 in this one, so I don't know if a leaderboard makes sense unless it also goes according to fewest lines needed to max the counter. There's also Ultra and timed 40L for different levels/heights. I'd say maximum score for Ultra starting from whatever level you want, and maximum level+height cleared for 40L sorted secondarily by fastest time.
Tetris DS Wifi rating:
Yes, please. I think we can trust people not to cheat, and if not, they're just as liable to lie about scores for anything else I imagine.
Tetris DS Classic:
I assume you mean Standard Marathon? Please don't include Endless. Line Clear mode would be nice too. Are Mission/Catch/Touch Tower going to be included?
Tetris Friends Marathon:
Do we really want a leaderboard for this? The scoring is so ridiculous it's hardly even Tetris.
There are actually online leaderboards in Japanese: http://www.tetrisparty.jp/ranking_fla.html
The only modes not already on the leaderboard are balance board and beginner's tetris.
The New Tetris:
I do actually have a copy of this, so yeah, I'd probably submit a score at some point. I think the marathon keeps track of lines, where the lines you are awarded depends on the types of clears you do, so your total lines is more or less a score of some sort.
You haven't included this, but if there were a leaderboard for marathon score I think it should be fewest lines needed to get to 999,999. The score does actually roll over to 100,000 at a million, although I've never checked to see what happens when you get to 1.1 million or 2 million, so maybe you could actually continue to make sense of the scoring beyond a million (but then this would just turn into a pointless Endless game in that case).
I'll try to include alot of what you're requesting iphys, I really don't see why not.
An update - TGM records and TGM clones using the same complex scoring format (Grade - Level @ Time) will be manually sorted by me once members submit records for those. This is because records can only be auto-sorted ascending or descending. All other records that use standard order formats (1-9, A-Z, Z-A, 9-1) are unaffected and will be autosorted as soon as you submit them. The leaderboard should be ready by around Wednesday.
After this we are planning to improve the shoutbox on the main page (clickable links, no more space in between long links, possible shoutbox log viewing)
Here's a screenshot of the leaderboard that's being worked on, with a bit of stuff i copy pasted in to show how it will possibly look when it's completely finished:
The file attachments are downloadable links by clicking on them, game titles are clickable links which lead to their page in the wiki, and the usernames are clickable leading to the member's profile. The top left dropdown menu is the records filter to view only the records you want to see. For those who don't recognize many international flags, don't worry - when you put your mouse over the flag it will tell you what country that person is from. Overall the leaderboard is about 70% done.
Hopefully we can get everything (leaderboard + shoutbox stuff) done before I start up school again in 2 weeks, as I'll be very busy.
Looks good so far, really a great idea.
Looking good -- much better than messy forum posts.
only Blink could get 999 in TOJ
nice job, can't wait until it's up and running.
Wow this is looking pretty good
How did I miss the topic?
I'll try and help out at some point today with the wiki.. I guess the info for blockles should be removed now huh?
EDIT: I'm not removing it yet, someone who does more work on the wiki can if they want to, maybe we should keep it up as a record that it existed? Just add something to it to let people know it no longer exists?
I don't see why you don't have Splash on there as well since you have Evolution. As far as I know the choice for the 360 that most people play is Splash. Another thing I was wondering is what modes you will have for Evolution. Don't know if you have ever played it, but there are about 30 different ways to play.... If you haven't played it I can send you a list of all the modes.
edit: ok, am I being stupid or did you just update the list?? I did just wake up, but I didn't think I was THAT tired to not see Splash and the various modes on Evo....
lol hi dumbledore - splash was always on that list lol. Yes, please send me a list of some more evolution modes that should be included, and if possible, their score format.
Tetris Evolution gameplay modes:
Marathon: Two ways to play this. Fixed goal (150 lines, who remembers playing the game normally?) and variable goal (TTC's current marathon scoring system).
Ultra: 1 minute, 3 minutes and 5 minutes.
Cascade: Only one way to play this.
Race: 10 lines, 25 lines and 40 lines. (scored by time)
Score: 5,000 points, 10,000 points and 25,000 points. (scored by time)
Hotline: Only one way to play.
Go Low: Fixed and variable goal systems
Eraser: 4 lines, 6 lines and 8 lines (scored by time)
Unless otherwise noted, everything is ranked by score. I'm thinking everything for Marathon, Cascade, Race and Ultra. I know thats what you already have listed, I'm just agreeing with you. Score might be fun to have, but like you said there probably won't be many entries for this game and I don't know how much work you want to put into it.
I take it TOD and LJ65 never took off. Otherwise:
I have a question for modes which have a ton of stages - Tetris Party Stage Racer for example - should I make it fastest record for ALL stages ? or have each stage a mode to choose from the dropdown list for submitting a record - because then there would be a ton of modes in the dropdown list for stage racer A, stage racer B , stage racer C and so on.
I think a combined time would be easier, especially since a couple sites already give the option to post records for individual courses, so people can find those records if they really care about comparing times for each course. I think it's more important to try to have records for all the Tetris games than have records for every single aspect of every game, especially for fringe game modes like that.
thanks iphys - i need some help with score formats of Tetris Party modes and Tetris DS standard/catch/mission/puzzle modes. How are they scored and are they similar to stage racer's mode in that there's a ton of stages? For now I might leave out the modes with a ton of different stages, or have people only post their best score of all the stages while specifying the stage they used to obtain that score.
Standard has Line Clear and Marathon (and Endless if you're really bored). Line Clear has multiple level/heights to choose from, but it scores you more points based on level+height and only records your best score for whatever level/height you happened to achieve it at. Standard marathon just records a high score.
Catch gives you a high score. There's also a record for maximum detonation size, but I doubt anyone cares about that enough to have a leaderboard for it.
Mission has a marathon that gives a high score and 5 different time trials where you aim for minimum times. Might be best to combine the times as one total record to save trouble.
Touch Tower has 5 different levels that it reports high scores for -- again might be easier to combine this as one total score, rather than having multiple records.
There's also Tetris points, which is an overall record for the game where you try to get a maximum number of points based on your scores, times, etc. in all the game modes (save for Endless and Wi-Fi battle).
Tetris Party has records for maximum score and minimum time for Marathon, (Endless Marathon score and maximum number of lines . . . if we care), number of Consecutive Tetrises (and back-to-backs, although this usually just differs by 1), maximum score for Beginner's Tetris (shows separate score records for easy pieces and normal pieces when you actually play it, but most people will probably just play with the default easy pieces), 10 minimum times for the Stage Racer courses, Shadow mode minimum time (should be for 3000% completion), and Field Climber minimum time (should be for level 10 completion). There's also Wi-fi ratings for No Items/Items, but given how easy (and dreadfully slow) it is to max out those ratings, they're kind of meaningless.
Just an update - the leaderboard won't be done until the end of next week. Alot of stuff is working already, but we underestimated how much time we needed to get everything finished.
coming soon as in starcraft 2 coming soon?
We're so close, so close I say! Tomorrow or Thursday we'll have some members test it out, and if all is well we'll launch it.
the leaderboard is up!! the account button is going to be replaced by the Records button, and account will be moved to the main page inside that box with Teams, Blogs, Photo Gallery.
TGM style records are manually sorted, all others are fine.
Anyone found to be submitting false records will be banned.
THE SORTING IS STILL MESSED UP FOR SOME GAME MODES RIGHT NOW** WILL BE FIXING IT TOMORROW
Yay, thank you
Now everyone can see how bad I am
well nvm, thank you. it was fixed.
keep in mind this leaderboard is still in beta and has issues, yes I am aware of the sorting problems.
I noticed that the sorting issues are occuring in the time fields, with colons, so maybe we can fix it by tomorrow.
Looks good so far.
If we want to update a record is it possible to resubmit the same record and have it overwrite the old record or will it end up being listed twice?
would like to see a description field where submitters can post a short comment about their record
it turns out that mysql sorting has a big problem with anything that has non numeric characters in them, in this case the colons for time records. If you look closely, you'll see it only sorts the 2 digits before the colon. we might have to manually sort them with the TGM records if we can't find a solution. this means that the scores that are being automatically sorted is all the ones which are only numbers.
Or we can have timed records in this format, which would be auto sorted, but I don't know if you guys want that:
since sorting only works correclty with one decimal maximum:
are some possible choices, any one else have ideas?
If not, I think it'll have to manual sort.
Of those, MM.SSms makes the most sense I think.
Edit: or we could do everything is seconds, so 00:20:20 is 20.20 and 01:01:01 is 61.01
True, time in seconds would probably be the least confusing out of all the possible autosort formats. It has a downfall of having to multiply by 60 for records which have alot of minutes, but for now I will use your solution so that everything works properly. thank you iphys
when submitting a record, can't there be separate fields for minutes, seconds, hundredths, and the records could be sorted by minutes first, then seconds, then hundredths? then couldn't you display the fields however you wanted? like %minutes% ":" %seconds% "." %hundredths%
oh nice. actually doing someting jt
Hey Bllink, couple of things.
First off, damn good job on this so far. It's nice to be able to have something like this for everyone to use. So much easier then having to update threads.
For Evolution Marathon is that Fixed or Variable mode? I assumed it would be Fixed since variable uses the wonderful current scoring setup......
I can't remember, but when you sign up for your account do you need to put your country? If not, I think you should make it so you have to. Then you could get rid of having to select your country with every record.
Another thing you might want to consider is putting some instructions in a large font, at least until you get all the bugs worked out, with the format that you need to put you records in; no commas in your score, format for time, etc.... I did the same thing that a couple other people did and had to re-enter everything.
Another thing to possibly implement in the future: Have a list of all of our records on our profile. It would be cool to look at someone's records for all the games they play. Like Blockbox's setup.
Why did Tetris DS Standard Marathon just switch to Endless? I thought we weren't going to have leaderboards for games that are easy to max the counter on, hence no leaderboards for Tetris DX marathon, Tengen Tetris, Tetris Friends 1989 mode, etc.
Also, is it possible to add Tetris DS Line Clear score, and All Games Consecutive Tetrises?
Dumbledore - we'll add a rule thing for score formats soon, so people know not to put commas into their scores and etc. iphys, what is Tetris DS line clear score? what game mode is that?
Line Clear is part of Standard Mode on TDS. You aim for a high score in clearing 25 lines.
Won't the combo leaderboard suffer the same problem TF's 1989 mode has (everyone maxing out)?
Found a problem - people who aren't logged in and view the records page will see alot of records in incorrect order (ascending vs descending). We'll fix it soon, as long as add pages so that when the leaderboard gets too many entries it wont all be loaded into 1 super long page.
In iPod tetris there are two modes - marathon and magic. magic has items, maybe it should be included, maybe not.
hey, i'm still having trouble uploading files. thanks blink and co. for all your work!
The file uploading problem with certain filetypes is now fixed. oliv - what is tetrinet.us's score format?
Fixed broken links when uploading images that have spaces in their filenames, they will link fine now.
Fixed the issue of guests not seeing some records in the correct order.
hey, i think a good feature would to be able to click a certain person's user name and see all the scores/times that person has submitted.
Would be cool if people's records were just included as a section in their player profiles.
does anyone besides me still play heboris?
added the recently released "Tetris Revolution" to the list of games.
I have a question about the leaderboards. does "combo start" mean without maps or something? because that's what I've been treating it like. but I got my 14 by building a 3 wide from the beginning
Yes, it means without maps boingloing.
Also - added KeyBlox and MultriNet to the records section game choices. Let me know if you guys want to see other games or game modes.
How about adding the BB Expert and Marathon modes? It doesn't look like many people play the TGM-style games, but they are pretty awesome.
I submitted some Texmaster records earlier. For Novice mode it would rank me lower even though my score's clearly better. In Normal and Special positions are wrong too. And I was added twice on the Normal mode leaderboard.
Also it would be nice if one had to add whether they used Classic or World rule. And maybe you can make it so that people could link to videos on youtube or other places. I'll submit more records later. ^^
Texmaster records are sorted manually, so it takes a little while after you submit them.
The texmaster scores are ordered wrong also.
If two players have the same grade, the lower time should be the higher score and not the higher level.
If you get the grade at a lower level you're playing better
But how would you know what level or time you were at when you achieved the grade, since it only tells you the level and time you end at? I think in TGM it's supposed to tell you the time you achieved the grade at, but I don't think Texmaster does that. Also, with the prospect of losing grades in Ti, could it actually be harder to maintain a grade for longer if you did get it early?
added Uehara Tetris, and 3 nullpomino modes (phantom mania, gem mania and dig race) to the leaderboard game list.
pleasse add all nullpomino games!
oh also nullpomino dig mode has 5 line 10 line and 18 line dig..... i put in my 10 but idk others might put in their 5 line
i'm not sure what i'm doing wrong with the Survivor record but i entered it every which way that i could think of and i always end up on the bottom. i'll leave it and just ask how to correct it. thanks.
You should add Tetris Party Deluxe soon as it will be released in just a few weeks for both Wii and DS, and decide if they will be separated or have a shared leaderboard.
Add block with hole sprint! ;D
Added tessellate dig open mode and dig marathon
Added a few tetris party deluxe modes (Sprint, Marathon, Master) . Will add more later.
We might need separate leaderboards for TPD Wii and TPD DS, assuming the play control isn't identical.
Also, Marathon Score is non-endless I hope, and I think we should have Master Mode Time too.
put in Nullpos ultra, line race, dig ( each line height ) and final
Blink, still not sure if we can submit records for TPD DS and TPD Wii in the same section or not? I think the scoring is the same, but I'm not sure if it's as easy to achieve identical times or not, and the other problem might be it could be easier to score higher on TPD Wii if the lineclears or gravity do give more time. I just played my first marathon game on TPD Wii and easily smashed my record on TPD DS, and I think the gravity might have been lower at level 15 to give me more time to think or something, but I'm not totally sure why it seemed easier -- might have just been a fluke and maybe they are the same though.
Edit: Just tried a little experiment to see how long it would take to top-out if I did nothing at level 15, and they seem fairly similar, but it looks like there might be small fractions of a second differences due to frame rates or something, because certain numbers seem more likely to come up on each system -- like a top-out after 12 pieces on the Wii might give 7.09/7.10/ 7.19 seconds vs 7.06/7.13/7.16/7.20 seconds on the DS.
Blink, where are you?
So I've come to the conclusion there's one major difference between the TPD games that will prevent times from ever being comparable, never mind the minor frame rate differences. The Wii version does not allow you to hard drop until you have released left/right, and if you accidentally hit up before releasing left/right, you actually have to release up and hit it again, whereas the DS version allows you to register a hard drop even with left/right still actively being pressed. Apart from making every hard drop a fraction of a second faster on the DS version, it also allows DAS manipulation, because you can keep your DAS charged from one piece to the next. Even when I manage to get in decent Sprints on the Wii version the times always seem to be around 4 s slower than the DS version.
Also, I think this should go without saying, but I don't think scores achieved with emulators or modified hardware should be allowed on the leaderboards. I think it would be too much of an unfair advantage to be able to play with a keyboard on games that you shouldn't be able to. I'm not sure how many people have submitted such scores, but at least one person submitted a proof with a rom name as part of the file name.
okay thanks iphys, i'll keep them seperated.
and yes, records achieved through emulation will not be allowed on the leaderboard. Can you tell me which ones were and I'll remove them. Thanks for helping out iphys.
It would be nice to add the other marathons for blockbox as well (marathon 1 2, 2.5 3 and 3.5) for both SRS and ARS.
For Nulpomino it would be nice to add the grade mania's (grade mania grade mania 2 and grade mania 2) They should be played with their beloning rule, so grade mania with rule classic 1, grade mania 2with classic rule 2 and grade mania 3 with classic rule 3
Finally u could also add speed mania speed mania 2 and garbage mania, also they should be played with their according rule, relatively classic 2, classic 3 and classic2
I would apreciate if specially for the nulpomino modes jus mentioned a print screen will be made at the begin and end of the game to see if the right rule has been used.
Could we also have A-type Score for SNES Tetris?
added SNES A-type, Nullpo Combo race 100.
Removed all cultris combo records from the All combo list, because its combos behave differently from other games.
I'll work on seperating SRS/ARS in the future goofer, and adding those modes.
Nullpo 40 Lines please
can i request combo race 20 lines time attack, max combo only for this one?
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