Was arguing or rather discussing with a RL friend about this, and we decided to settle this matter on HD. So what do you guys think? Plus explanations/reasoning please. Thanks heaps
fake or real + explanation pl0x tjenyao5:03peopleeeeeeee tjenyao5:03http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dZjDIkMapAc&feature=plcp Agamemnon5:13looks like a good ST stacking run Agamemnon5:13zt rather tjenyao5:13Yep tjenyao5:13Do you think it's real? Agamemnon5:13probably tjenyao5:13Look at his other videos tjenyao5:13I dunno.. but seems..... fake. tjenyao5:14http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h8xDLDRfgV0&feature=plcp tjenyao5:14What about this? Agamemnon5:15I'm just not sure what the maximal settings for TB are tjenyao5:16He'd probably be at least mentioned in HD if he could do stuff like that o_O tjenyao5:16Not as good as nullpo. tjenyao5:16This one seems soooo fake. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pMf-3mKe7Ig&feature=plcp Agamemnon5:17because nobody on HD ever talks about TB Agamemnon5:17because it's.. a pretty bad game tjenyao5:17Yea.. Agamemnon5:17oh, that's cute Agamemnon5:18he's using massi4hs infinite tst setup tjenyao5:18Yeah. Agamemnon5:18thing is Agamemnon5:18he looks fast and good at spins Agamemnon5:18but that says nothing about his skills as a player in general tjenyao5:20True but tjenyao5:20Argument or rather discussion tjenyao5:20with a friend, debating the originality of the videos tjenyao5:20his videos* Agamemnon5:20it's possibly real, possibly bot Agamemnon5:20but probably not bot tjenyao5:20O_o tjenyao5:21So you think it's real. Fine 1-0 Agamemnon5:21basically, if you repeat those endless patterns, like zt and inf tst Agamemnon5:21you place the other pieces in specific spots/ways Agamemnon5:21which means you can stack it really fast compared to freestyling it tjenyao5:21True tjenyao5:22But you've casted your vote tjenyao5:22Thanks a lot. Agamemnon5:22np tjenyao5:22Now I'll have to wait for others to come on tjenyao5:22http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dZjDIkMapAc&feature=plcp Agamemnon5:22post it on the forum instead? tjenyao5:22Guys do you think this is real or bot/fake? And explanations thanks a lot. Agamemnon5:22it'll probably turn into a bunch of spam Agamemnon5:22but people might add their view and reasoning tjenyao5:23Lol HD
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To my eye it's not legitimate play. It's far too smooth, off the top of my head I saw no hesitations. Plus it's nigh impossible to go that fast on a TB game to my knowledge (heck he's going faster than my null 40L record of 3.46 pps).
I'd defer to somebody more technically informed like Kitaru, but for now I'm calling bullsh*t
EDIT- Check out around the 23 second mark on the second video (kick it at 20 if you're that impatient, it moves by fast), he spins it in while it is facing the wrong way... Or the play is so far sped up that we can't visuall register the correcting spins.
I'd say they're hacking illegitimate based on the 210 apm~ in his Infinite TST video, he's also going extremely fast, especially considering this is Tetris Battle, meaning there is no instant DAS (correct me if I'm wrong). On top of that, he claims he invented the Infinite TST setup, I do not approve.
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To fake,wierd things were done like the kick DAS mentioned,and also in the first bid,he went to slide in the I piece into a MD,he rotated it before he started to soft drop...which doesn't make sense cause it's faster to let it soft drop before rotating it
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QUOTE(Panda @ Mar 9 2013, 05:28 AM)
Lol no, that's ludacris. I have a sentence generator, Blink....
I have given this guy a "written warning" haha. Yeah, even an old NES player like me can see they are fake. Just lacks normal human hesitation that you see even in the microblizz record and lipsi, and lacks any of the logic in battle you see from blink and hebo and the like.
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Watched some of it in slow mo, and it does indeed look a little cooky at times. He possibly played through at a low FPS. Then again, perhaps he possesses superhuman Tetris abilities that we haven't seen yet.
Well I think, such a video is hard to edit because of the sendline effects, so I would say, it's a bot exploiting a fault of Tetris Battle's multiplayer system: You don't have to respond to the lines sent by your opponents. I don't think, the bot can handle all situations.
The channel has also some videos, which look more human to me:
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^^ The replays are from different people. The Youtuber who posted these probably just found them impressive and doesn't know better with the bot-vids.
What gives it away for me is the instantaneous transitions and the regularity of play. For example, he slides the I in the first video pretty much the frame it gets into position, pieces move instantly out the gate 100% of the time, and there are some 1 or 2 frame finesse placements. Even the fastest real players have around 2-4 frames delay before manipulating a piece out the gate, and slides/kicks require reacting to the screen (where playing with finesse technically doesn't) - so there should be around 6ish frames on that kind of input for an extremely fast player.
Couple that with the fact that the setups here are very formulaic, which is much easier to program into a bot, and it's pretty much a guarantee.
These videos - are they real or fake/bot?
May 10 2012, 12:31 PM
