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[xbxcv]

Try stacking flat. After looking at your previews, go for the form that will least likely get you stuck. Study some 4 wide stacking patterns on the wiki so you can get an idea. Also remember that there must be 3 units in the middle for the combo to initiate. You can use any piece for the starter as long as there are 3 units or + 4n units in the 4 wide gap (n = number of tetris blocks) because 4 units are bound to be cleared away.
Here are some videos that might help with your 4w:
http://harddrop.com/videos/id_512/title_21-combo-into-a-pc/
http://harddrop.com/videos/id_369/title_re...an-of-miracles/
http://harddrop.com/videos/id_371/title_nu...mino-100-lines/

what do u mean when stacking flat sorry newb here

[xbxcv]

Try stacking flat. After looking at your previews, go for the form that will least likely get you stuck. Study some 4 wide stacking patterns on the wiki so you can get an idea. Also remember that there must be 3 units in the middle for the combo to initiate. You can use any piece for the starter as long as there are 3 units or + 4n units in the 4 wide gap (n = number of tetris blocks) because 4 units are bound to be cleared away.
Here are some videos that might help with your 4w:
http://harddrop.com/videos/id_512/title_21-combo-into-a-pc/
http://harddrop.com/videos/id_369/title_re...an-of-miracles/
http://harddrop.com/videos/id_371/title_nu...mino-100-lines/

what do u mean when stacking flat sorry newb here

[jkwon23]

try to balance your stack

[xbxcv]

i can stack well with side but not with mid hahaha.. i guees ill use side

[jkwon23]

no pain, no gain.

[Profane]

So i've never really heard the non combo strategy to breaking a combo starter. Usually i just do my normal opening try to stay low and hold an I piece to try to send lines back. any tips?

[XaeL]

So i've never really heard the non combo strategy to breaking a combo starter. Usually i just do my normal opening try to stay low and hold an I piece to try to send lines back. any tips?

combos are stronger.. dont expect to beat a combo without a combo.

[caffeine]

So i've never really heard the non combo strategy to breaking a combo starter. Usually i just do my normal opening try to stay low and hold an I piece to try to send lines back. any tips?

It's interesting you said this. I've been thinking about it, and it seems like there's a sort of rock/paper/scissors strategy when countering 4 wide openings. For example, I was playing against this one guy last month. I do middle 4 wide and win a couple games. Then, he catches on and starts doing a side 4 wide. This is a safe counter. Since I won't be starting my combo for a while, he'll have time to stack his side 4 wide without me topping him out. And... he'll be able to stack that 4 wide faster than my middle 4 wide, since it's easier and more straight forward. So, after I caught on to that, I started watching to see if he was going to do a side 4 wide. When he did, I'd build up a perfect clear. I'd wait for him to get closer to the top, and then I'd do the PC. It was kind of funny to watch: instant KO every time. This happened a few times, and then he went back to opening with T-Spins, and I went back to middle 4 wide.

[Chopin]

So, after I caught on to that, I started watching to see if he was going to do a side 4 wide. When he did, I'd build up a perfect clear. I'd wait for him to get closer to the top, and then I'd do the PC. It was kind of funny to watch: instant KO every time. This happened a few times, and then he went back to opening with T-Spins, and I went back to middle 4 wide.

This stopped working really when people learned how to do PCs
And with E+, the opponent can just start their combo, 10 lines is not that much, and also any slightly decent player will notice if you're sitting there with a PC for 20 seconds lol. I would out wait you, absorb it all, and you are gg ^_^

[caffeine]

This stopped working really when people learned how to do PCs
And with E+, the opponent can just start their combo, 10 lines is not that much, and also any slightly decent player will notice if you're sitting there with a PC for 20 seconds lol. I would out wait you, absorb it all, and you are gg ^_^

"This stopped working"... are you referring to countering side 4w with a PC? For it not to work, then the 4w'er would have to stop before he gets 10 rows high. If he starts a combo at only 10 rows high, that's not very threatening. So what I'd think would happen is: if he sees that I'm going to do the PC and doesn't stack up, then I do the PC anyway and wait. He won't send that much from the 10-row combo, so that will be easy to get through. When he gets to the PC garbage, that will be easy enough to clear. I'd think so, anyway. If I overstacked, then I could definitely see that as bad news. But I guess I'd have to see for myself in a real game.

Edit: on second thought, you might have something there. I need to play this scenerio out a few times.