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post May 21 2010, 01:13 AM
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1. 4-Wides Burst on the scene- The 4-wide was not a new technique at the time, but when Secret Salamander featured the middle-gap 4-wide in his epic playoff match versus Blink in HDO2, people were left in awe. Salamander eventually lost the match, but won an astounding 7 of 10 matches in which he used the 4-wide.

the match

This was perhaps one of the most influential recent match-ups as it has spread like a wildfire throughout the Tetris realm.



2. Middle vs. Side stacked- There are two effective ways in which to stack for a 4-wide, in the middle and on the side. Both have advantages and downfalls.

a. Middle- The middle stacked 4-wide was revolutionized by Secret Salamander and unveiled spectacularly in his match-up versus Blink. This version of the technique is the more difficult of the two to preform, as it takes a lot of practice to learn the stacking methods that go into the middle gap. However, this has much more power potential than the side stacked. You can stack higher, will less risk of topping out. Because the stacking method is more difficult, players often find themselves clearing lines in the center in order to greaten the potential of the combo. This means that this stacking method takes longer to build, than side stacked.

b. Side- This more traditional combo method has different advantages than the alt. method. Since its staking method is much simpler, it is much quicker to build and begin your combo. However, the power potential is much less since there is a fairly high likely hood of a top out.



3. Starts- There are 4 basic starts when beginning a 4-wide: S/Z, alt. S/Z, I, and L/J.

Please see fumen of the starts at the bottom.



4. Previews- its is important to use your previews continuously during the comboing process. Make sure to play out in your head the next few pieces to capture the best possible approach.



5. Hold- It is imperative you use your holds wisely when comboing using 4-wide. The best pieces to save are the I, O, and T blocks as they are useful is most situations you may encounter.



6. Piece Selection during combo- Most newbie 4-widers have the most trouble in this particular skill of 4-wide. This is unfortunate because THIS IS THE MOST IMPORTANT PART! Most throw the combo away making little mistakes here and there, nullifying the power of the 4-wide completely. You must strive to keep a "start"-like situation for the next block to continue.

Salamander's situational map

also: see fumen at end



7. Use of 4-wide- Though not as effective as it once was (see blink 3-wide Smile.png) the 4-wide is still hated by many who have meet a quick doom. Many swear by this tactic and almost exclusively use it. For others is it a feel, match-up, or simply the only hope they have. For slower players, the power of the 4-wide is the only chance for one to steal a victory off of the elite.



8. Combo Garbage-for combo chains the lines sent are as follows: (combo#, lines sent), (1.0)(2,1)(3,1)(4,2)(5,2)(6,3)(7,3)(8+,4)



9. Fumen library-

Sample builds of middle combo (from SS v Blink)

With S/Z Start-

With I Start-


4-starts-

S/Z-

I-

Alt. S/Z- 1

L/J-



NOTE: Both S/Z starts give you a greater amount of options than the others. "I" start is vastly over rated (IMO), also L/J Start is not very practical.



Sample combo piece placement-




Sample stacked methods-

Middle-
Side-



~ Video Example



10. Conclusion You will not learn this overnight, this will take a lot of practice to gain a feel and develop your own style. We will continue to add on to this so please leave suggestions, note errors, ask questions etc. Grin.png Good Luck

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The fact is that I think they made that high of combos so strong because they never imagined a combo past the 2 wide.
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ZeroT   4-Wide Guide   May 21 2010, 01:13 AM
blazen_azn   *blazen_azn will add a video tutorial later on :D...   May 21 2010, 01:18 AM
Blink   Yeah kotetsu definitely made 4wide middle combo ga...   May 21 2010, 01:19 AM
chowmain24   there are no downfalls for middle unless you suck....   May 21 2010, 03:24 AM
SecretSalamander   3. Starts- There are 4 possible starts when beginn...   May 21 2010, 03:30 AM
blazen_azn   3. Starts- There are 4 possible starts when begin...   May 21 2010, 04:00 AM
Dagorath   .   May 21 2010, 09:00 AM
mcgif   [b]really nice tutorial [size=1]well in my opini...   May 21 2010, 10:16 AM
Paul676   Put simply, it's another tactic. It'll wor...   May 21 2010, 10:05 AM
ZeroT   Guys, this is a strategy. PERIOD. not some sort of...   May 21 2010, 10:36 AM
Trance   In my opinion, mid gap 4 wide is the strongest sta...   May 22 2010, 04:05 PM
Dagorath   .   May 22 2010, 06:53 PM
Trance   Either you didn't read my whole post or you ju...   May 22 2010, 07:13 PM
Dagorath   .   May 22 2010, 07:37 PM
Trance   Whatever but it should stay the way it is not not...   May 22 2010, 07:38 PM
Blink   I don't feel like 4wide is broken, what IS bro...   May 22 2010, 08:43 PM
Trance   I don't feel like 4wide is broken, what IS br...   May 22 2010, 08:53 PM
SecretSalamander   They don't have to start their combo, but they...   May 22 2010, 08:51 PM
chopin   shrugs   May 26 2010, 01:43 AM
chowmain24   if your stratagie is 4 wide and you win you are go...   May 26 2010, 01:52 AM
ZeroT   if your stratagie is 4 wide and you win you are g...   May 26 2010, 03:49 AM
chopin   LOL. Grammar, Spelling, and Punctuation Policeee, ...   May 27 2010, 07:18 PM
zaphod77   I propose the following heuristic to nerf center g...   May 27 2010, 08:14 PM
Pineapple   ...or just bring combos down to a reasonable power...   May 29 2010, 12:52 PM
zaphod77   It would take a huge nerf in combos to keep center...   May 30 2010, 01:34 PM
XaeL   It would take a huge nerf in combos to keep cente...   Jul 7 2010, 04:25 AM
Dagorath   .   Jun 4 2010, 09:12 AM
zaphod77   BS idea. Would make them completely useless. Tha...   Jun 24 2010, 12:07 PM
chopin   With new TF garbage system, it seems like it favor...   Jul 7 2010, 04:20 AM
SiRTeTRiS   The biggest keys with combos in general IMO are to...   Jul 9 2010, 11:56 AM
chopin   Zero!!! I blame you for the rise of 4-...   Jul 16 2010, 06:25 AM
crzy242   middle stacked 4 wide is @$#@%%. seriously. s...   Jul 16 2010, 07:20 AM
bach_of_tetris   middle stacked 4 wide is @$#@%%. seriously. ...   Jul 16 2010, 07:33 AM
crzy242   I'm pretty sure nullpo already cuts off block...   Jul 16 2010, 07:45 AM
KeroKai   Yeah, those noobs like me hate going against combo...   Jul 16 2010, 02:50 PM
meow   Yeah, those noobs like me hate going against comb...   Jul 16 2010, 04:49 PM
DAS44   Combos seem rather brainless, same thing over and ...   Jul 16 2010, 05:09 PM
themysticalninja   im not scared of 4 wide comboers, unless their sup...   Jul 16 2010, 05:17 PM
blazen_azn   the only person imo that can bash combos is SS ev...   Jul 16 2010, 05:23 PM
Ravendarksky   the only person imo that can bash combos is SS e...   Jul 16 2010, 10:53 PM
pawnzo   I'm new to Tetris, Hell I just found out about...   Feb 9 2011, 11:16 PM
XaeL   If a typical 'pro' loads up nullpomino an...   Feb 9 2011, 11:21 PM
DannyBars   i personally think 4 gap is a little overrated, so...   Jul 16 2010, 06:08 PM
KeroKai   I've no problem with T-spins because people th...   Jul 16 2010, 07:39 PM
ManOfMiracles   A complete 99 combo on nullpo combo race is rare. ...   Feb 9 2011, 11:39 PM
ZeroT   A complete 99 combo on nullpo combo race is rare....   Feb 10 2011, 12:15 AM
Profane   My biggest problem right now is countering combos....   Mar 2 2011, 04:21 PM
ManOfMiracles   Well profane, the reason combos get to you is beca...   Mar 3 2011, 08:06 AM
kevincentius   Yea especially if you are using some effective T-S...   May 1 2011, 09:13 AM
coolmaninsano   So are these the conclusion of this thread? - the...   May 1 2011, 10:45 AM
yazichima   hey, I just encountered an impossible situation wh...   Jul 10 2011, 04:13 AM
ZeroT   There are tons of times where you will have imposs...   Jul 10 2011, 03:47 PM
myndzi   If you have to start stacking to cancel, you'r...   Jul 10 2011, 06:19 PM
yazichima   you're right... there are sooo many impossible...   Jul 11 2011, 06:15 AM
ZeroT   I made a quick video of me playing combo race. I m...   Jul 11 2011, 03:15 PM
caffeine   I'm just going to leave this here: http://wak...   Sep 3 2011, 10:39 PM
DarthDuck   That is exactly the mindtrip I've been looking...   Sep 4 2011, 03:37 AM
ZeroT   Well there you have it lol   Sep 4 2011, 09:52 AM
yazichima   Hey anyone use 'mini' 4- wides mid game? M...   Sep 10 2011, 05:58 AM
DarthDuck   Hey anyone use 'mini' 4- wides mid game? ...   Sep 10 2011, 10:50 AM
ManOfMiracles   if you are "trying" to stack a 4wide ce...   Sep 10 2011, 06:09 PM
yazichima   Lol no. If you are getting setups in your 4-wide ...   Sep 10 2011, 06:50 PM
zaphod77   Um, I fever isn't even a party item. it's ...   Sep 10 2011, 04:37 PM
Paul676   MoM - you don't get it - if you can't stac...   Sep 10 2011, 06:51 PM
DarthDuck   if you can't stack/get a bad piece to upstac...   Sep 10 2011, 07:23 PM
Paradox   Ima 4 wide every game now, and if it fails i'l...   Sep 10 2011, 07:25 PM
coolmaninsano   Just sayin'. http://i1177.photobucket.com/albu...   Sep 14 2011, 12:02 AM
ZeroT   Wanna fight me Aaron :O JS   Sep 21 2011, 03:33 PM
cloudstack   Can't seem to understand the 4 way method. :) ...   Nov 6 2011, 11:27 AM
XaeL   Can't seem to understand the 4 way method. :)...   Nov 6 2011, 11:42 AM
Chopin   Ok, I moved this post to its own thread titled ...   Nov 6 2011, 12:26 PM
Chopin   Might be mean to get good at ;D 110@GcD3jbF3jbF3jb...   Nov 14 2011, 07:32 AM
cloudstack   I guess I should start practicing this first, befo...   Nov 17 2011, 04:02 PM
xbxcv   w/c is much better middle 4 wide or side :(( i wil...   Dec 3 2011, 03:59 AM
caffeine   w/c is much better middle 4 wide or side :(( i wi...   Dec 3 2011, 02:56 PM
jkwon23   watch pro 4 widers do it, play combo race on npm, ...   Dec 3 2011, 07:03 AM
xbxcv   read it already... i just feel 4 wide mid is much ...   Dec 3 2011, 10:55 AM
xbxcv   any tips on stacking??? im finding it difficult to...   Dec 4 2011, 07:28 AM
jkwon23   any tips on stacking??? im finding it difficult t...   Dec 4 2011, 11:40 AM
xbxcv   Try stacking flat. After looking at your previews...   Dec 5 2011, 08:53 AM
xbxcv   Try stacking flat. After looking at your previews...   Dec 5 2011, 08:53 AM
jkwon23   try to balance your stack   Dec 9 2011, 01:48 AM
xbxcv   i can stack well with side but not with mid :( hah...   Dec 9 2011, 09:59 AM
jkwon23   no pain, no gain.   Dec 10 2011, 05:56 AM
Profane   So i've never really heard the non combo strat...   Dec 10 2011, 06:38 AM
XaeL   So i've never really heard the non combo stra...   Dec 10 2011, 07:16 AM
caffeine   So i've never really heard the non combo stra...   Dec 10 2011, 05:49 PM
Chopin   So, after I caught on to that, I started watching...   Dec 10 2011, 08:01 PM
caffeine   This stopped working really when people learned h...   Dec 10 2011, 08:46 PM
xbxcv   what do u think is the best counter of 4 wide?   Dec 18 2011, 02:04 AM
Barneey   what do u think is the best counter of 4 wide? ...   Dec 18 2011, 04:33 AM
dispo_io   Early pressure, don't allow them to stack the...   Dec 18 2011, 06:19 AM
xbxcv   w/c is much better 4 wide or 3 wide?   Jan 5 2012, 09:04 AM
coolmaninsano   w/c is much better 4 wide or 3 wide?http://i1177.p...   Jan 5 2012, 09:38 AM
StarBen   hi guys! is there any noob friendly guides fo...   Jun 19 2012, 05:40 AM
XaeL   hi guys! is there any noob friendly guides f...   Jun 19 2012, 11:05 AM
Shizi   4wide walks into a bar and asks "where's ...   Jun 20 2012, 07:13 PM
jackh1771   [QUOTE] K so what would you say the best techniqu...   Jul 1 2012, 07:21 PM
MarioThePhenom   uhh, whateveryou want? lol... just do whatever y...   Jul 1 2012, 07:57 PM
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