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Kitaru
post Jul 11 2009, 02:53 AM
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Alright, I'm finally getting around to writing some stuff about it! Blink asked me to explain how I have been going about things with the semi-invisible section of Survival, so I'm going to try to put things in writing as best as I can.

Playing TF's semi-invisible is a lot different than playing a "conventional" TGM invisible challenge. Whereas TGM's invisible credit rolls are a mere minute of intense challenge separating you from success, TF's semi-invisible is about dragging out a comparatively easy game out for as long as possible. Rather than subject the player to high gravity, it asymtotically approaches full invisibility by reducing the frequency of visibility flashes.

Every four lines you clear, the number of pieces it takes to trigger a reveal of playfield state increases by one. In fact, it takes only one piece to trigger a reveal at the start. The obvious early strategy is to play relatively quickly to keep the field mostly visible as you get ready for playing actual stretches of invisibility.

When the field starts being invisible more often, you'll obviously want to be able to remember where everything is. It is difficult to explain how to work on improving the skill of visualizing the stack, but here are a few tips:
+Focus primarily on remembering the outline of the top of the stack. Trying to remember every last detail is too taxing, and remembering the top will give you a really good idea of what is going on. It also won't usually change when you clear lines unless you clear all the way down to garbage below.
+Keep the top relatively flat so it is easier to remember accurately. Stacking unevenly or setting up slides and twists are not usually recommended. Obviously, this means that t-spinning is not generally a good idea.

If we were talking about TGM invisible, I'd say that the best thing to do if you forget part of the stack would be to stack flat over it. However, the goal in TGM invisible credit rolls is to last 60 seconds while making as many lines as possible. In Survival however, your priority is, well... survival. With a bag randomizer, hold, low gravity, and ghost, you have plenty of tools to turtle and BS your way through.

One little trick you can use is to measure the elevation of a column using the ghost piece. However, be careful about how you interpret this information. The ghost piece might be suspended on something, and you might get the impression that the topmost solid in a column is higher than it really is. The I-piece is very useful for doing this sort of "tracing" since it can't hang from anything in its vertical orientation.

It helps to do occasional rotation or shift checks to confirm your visualisation of the stack. Sometimes using the ghost piece won't give you the full picture or there won't be enough time to check things out before the piece touches down. If you think a piece should be stuck after you drop it into place, soft drop it in and try shifting it around. If it fails on both shift directions, you had the right idea. If it wiggles around, you might want to reconsider your image of the stack.



Wallkick checks are also useful for validating your understanding of the stack without expending many lock delay resets.



It can also be useful to use the active piece to understand the field and then Hold swap out for something you actually want to place. (That's right KevinDDR -- I'm advocating the use of Kevin Holds for Survival.) If you have an I-piece active, you can get a quick sketch of half of the stack by sending it to the wall in the vertical orientation, maybe do a few quick physical checks, then swap the piece out for whatever you've got in Hold to make an actual placement.

I think that's a pretty good look at all the silly stuff you can use to turtle and BS in Survival. Feel free to post if you have any other questions or know of something I haven't covered in this post.


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post Jul 11 2009, 03:06 AM
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Thanks Kitaru, all this time I was T-spinning the invisible was actually doing more harm than good. It'll take awhile but hopefully I can break my record now that I sort of know what to look for and do.
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post Jul 11 2009, 03:11 AM
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QUOTE(Blink @ Jul 10 2009, 08:06 PM) *

Thanks Kitaru, all this time I was T-spinning the invisible was actually doing more harm than good. It'll take awhile but hopefully I can break my record now that I sort of know what to look for and do.

Yeah, the only t-spins that are usually safe to do are those kick t-spin "minis," which will give you points regardless of whether you clear lines as well as validate your image of the stack. If you do that t-spin mini kick and _don't_ get the bonus, you know the wall next to the T was 1 or 2 units tall instead of 3 or more.

I feel really uncomfortable doing "traditional" t-spins most of the time. You're right in saying they do more harm than good. I feel that the strain of remembering how they affected the stack rarely justifies the small point boost.


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post Jul 11 2009, 04:32 AM
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Thanks for the guide, Kitaru... Hopefully it'll get me a few [hundred thousand] more points.


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post Jul 11 2009, 04:43 AM
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Where's this mode anyway? I've never seen it.

Edit: Nvm. Never knew it existed outside of Facebook.
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post Jul 11 2009, 04:53 AM
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QUOTE(emomissionkid @ Jul 10 2009, 09:43 PM) *

Where's this mode anyway? I've never seen it.

Edit: Nvm. Never knew it existed outside of Facebook.

It used to be on Facebook under the name Holiday, -- it was winter holiday themed -- but is now only on TF.Com under the name Survival


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post Jul 11 2009, 05:34 AM
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good job with the guide Kitaru. i'll admit i go for invisible T-spins too much smile.gif but it's usually when the stack is a mess, and i get a quick view of an almost completed T-spin setup and go for it. so it's more of a fix, or a "lemme get a few points before i die", than a plan.
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post Jul 13 2009, 12:09 AM
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Thanks to your guide I broke jujube's Survival record lol. Btw, I updated your post with the new fumen support.
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post Jul 13 2009, 12:54 AM
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QUOTE(Blink @ Jul 13 2009, 01:09 AM) *

Thanks to your guide I broke jujube's Survival record lol.

yeah by a couple hundred points :lame:

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Btw, I updated your post with the new fumen support.

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post Jul 13 2009, 01:27 AM
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Great!
Ive been waiting for this guide time to play a bit of TF


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post Jul 14 2009, 07:25 PM
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I knew the Kevhold would come in handy some day.
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post Jul 15 2009, 02:22 AM
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post Dec 4 2009, 12:54 PM
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Thanks for the great guide, Kitaru.
I have been able to break the wall of 3,000,000 points.biggrin.gif
(And it seems I broke your score, sorry... sowwy.gif)


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post Dec 5 2009, 11:39 PM
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This is probably my last game of Survival. I don't think I could ever really work up the enthusiasm to play it again unless someone was paying me large sums of money, hahaha. The other invisible modes I play are just so much more challenging and entertaining, and this one has become something of a chore.

It looks like the replay was so long it broke, unfortunately. I wish I could have left something that was a bit more useful for people to learn from. I'll still be posting YouTube videos of invisible modes from other games, so perhaps those will come in handy for having examples when learning Survival's semi-invisible.

@cjeiwmd31995: I'm sorry I won't be playing anymore. When you broke my score, I was actually quite happy to have some competition. However, after playing that game, I was pretty much burned out. I hope If you're still interested in pursuing this mode, I hope I've left you with a nice goal to work toward. :)


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post Dec 6 2009, 09:36 AM
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lol, nice thread but this just ruined my pursuit of Survival... I'll wait to do a stealth mode if it ever gets included in any US Tetris releases... which won't happen even if we bully TTC to include it and other TGM modes.


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