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Posted by: myndzi Sep 16 2013, 10:06 PM

In case you didn't catch the announcement on Facebook, this year's Classic Tetris World Championships will also include a multiplayer versus tournament played on the SNES Tetris & Dr. Mario cart. (The game you've been seeing caffeine & vipjun stream lately)

Entry fee is $5, and you may retry as many times as you're willing to stand in line for. Qualifying attempts will be graded by highest score in single-player B-type tetris, starting from level 9, height 0.

Qualifiers will be Saturday, October 15th between 10:00AM and 3:00PM PST. Finals will start at 3:00PM; the event closes at 6PM.

The top 16 seeds will be put into an elimination bracket for the main event that same evening, played as first-to-three matches. These matches will be 2-player A-type, with both players starting on level 9.

You are allowed to bring your own controller, so long as it is an original, unmodified standard SNES controller.

The winner gets a trophy and an http://www.amazon.com/Mobile-Portable-System-White-Nintendo-DS/dp/B0027ESBCG.


I may need some volunteers to help officiate, please PM me if you can help out.

Post if you're going!

Posted by: benmullen Sep 16 2013, 11:05 PM

I'm going! thanks for helping make CTWC awesomer!

I would help any way I could, but im also competing in this and NES, so I must freeload

Posted by: myndzi Sep 17 2013, 02:59 AM

Yeah, the problem is that the only people I know of to ask are also competing Wink.png

Posted by: Integration Sep 17 2013, 05:49 AM

Whoa, Mr. AllSpin organizing an oldskool tetris tourney and sponsoring prizes? Now everything makes http://harddrop.com/article/article_514/. I didn't expect it though.

Is the qualifying modus fixed? I'd prefer Level 9 & Height 4 over Level 9 & Height 0, because the scores would differ more and Level 9 & Height 4 is more about making good decisions in difficult situations (as Multiplayer is). In Level 9 & Height 0, the first spots will go to people making 7 Tetrises, and the rest to people making 6 Tetrises.

Posted by: Sisu Sep 17 2013, 06:40 AM

soft drop bonus points

Posted by: Integration Sep 17 2013, 08:45 AM

Soft drop points will be rather unimportant for the players who finish with 6 Tetrises. There's more important how many lines you clear. 28 lines will beat 27 lines 9 times out of 10 (no matter of soft drop), although 27 lines has a higher tetris per cleared lines ratio.

If there are enough participants, then it is probable that the 17th and 18th place will have made as many Tetrises as the 15th and 16th place. And I find it hard to send people home just because they didn't cleared a further Single before their last Tetris.

Posted by: myndzi Sep 17 2013, 09:56 AM

I'm not sponsoring the prizes, I assume TTC is. The rules are fixed and nothing I can do about it, so make the best of it. Perhaps I can have more of an influence on the setup if there is a next time.

Posted by: Integration Sep 17 2013, 10:25 AM

kk

Anything what I said, can be ignored anyway. I noticed that you can't see on which level and height you did your highscore. So you must play level 9 & height 0 because that's the way how you score as high as possible.

Posted by: benmullen Sep 17 2013, 04:43 PM

yeah, we did a b mode thing once in NES and it immediatley devolved into pushdown points. The thing is though, i think SNES has that B mode things where you keep playing higher and higher levels until you finally die. I imagine that is what this is. If its a level 9-0 25 liner i can think of 20+ people who can do that in their sleep who will be in attendance... it would just get silly.

Posted by: Sisu Sep 17 2013, 04:59 PM

If the randomizer cooperates. ;D

QUOTE(myndzi @ Sep 16 2013, 02:06 PM) *

starting from level 9, height 0.

∴ It is not http://harddrop.com/forums/index.php?s=&showtopic=2510&view=findpost&p=74848.

Posted by: mobuco Sep 17 2013, 05:12 PM

B-type will come down to push down if enough people are good enough to get 7 tetrises...which is probably going to be the case. A-type takes way to damn long on snes though, so b-type it is.

Posted by: caffeine Sep 17 2013, 06:12 PM

My suggestion is: B-type, 9-5, your score = total pieces used to finish the game (less is better).

Posted by: Sisu Sep 17 2013, 06:37 PM

hi confused twitter ppl! Smile.png

Link: http://harddrop.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=5397

Posted by: SiRTeTRiS Sep 17 2013, 09:18 PM

I highly doubt I'd be able to make this anyway, but out of curiosity how is the head-to-head going to go? First to KO or most lines within a time limit? When we did Denver Tetris League way back they had a First to KO or most lines in 3 Minutes so that's why I ask? I may have to start practicing ha ha if there is a time limit there are so many more strategies, which is why I'm curious.

Posted by: benmullen Sep 18 2013, 02:58 AM

9-5 for score would actually be a pretty good challenge. I would really caution against 9-0 as there will be so many players at that speed getting 7 tetris you might have people getting 7 and not making the cut, even with 16 slots. 9-5 is messy, nicely so and would create a less all way tie looking leaderboard. At MGC one year we used NES 5-5 high score, and as awkward a deal as that is, it was actually a perfectly fine thing really, and so would 9-5 be.

Posted by: myndzi Sep 18 2013, 11:54 PM

QUOTE(SiRTeTRiS @ Sep 17 2013, 09:18 PM) *

I highly doubt I'd be able to make this anyway, but out of curiosity how is the head-to-head going to go? First to KO or most lines within a time limit? When we did Denver Tetris League way back they had a First to KO or most lines in 3 Minutes so that's why I ask? I may have to start practicing ha ha if there is a time limit there are so many more strategies, which is why I'm curious.


The head-to-head part is normal A-type vs mode, first to 3.

Re: Qualifying:

I've been told the rules are set in stone. I didn't have the opportunity to negotiate them. I'm interested in what you guys have to say, but please note that I won't be able to do anything about it this year.

For the sake of discussion, my proposal was going to be actual vs games. I don't see the point in playing a single player B-type mode to seed a multiplayer A-type tournament. I think it would be decent to simply rank participants with Elo and let them churn through the seats all day. This would let us run twice as many qualifying matches, and the qualifiers would be testing the same skill that they're going to be competing in. What do you guys think?

Posted by: benmullen Sep 19 2013, 01:33 AM

the nice thing about tetris though is that even though a lot of folks might get perfects, more proficient players still tend to get near the top of the list one way or another. I wonder if SNES shares the NES bug where if you push down from the tippy top you actually get a bit less in push down bonus than if you start from about 2/3rds of the way up? But I better not give away my strategy Wink.png or am I misleading you all now mhua ha hah ahahaha

Posted by: Integration Sep 19 2013, 05:40 AM

QUOTE(myndzi @ Sep 19 2013, 02:54 AM) *
The head-to-head part is normal A-type vs mode, first to 3.

Starting Level is 0 (lowest gravity), isn't it?

QUOTE(myndzi @ Sep 19 2013, 02:54 AM) *
For the sake of discussion, my proposal was going to be actual vs games. I don't see the point in playing a single player B-type mode to seed a multiplayer A-type tournament. I think it would be decent to simply rank participants with Elo and let them churn through the seats all day. This would let us run twice as many qualifying matches, and the qualifiers would be testing the same skill that they're going to be competing in. What do you guys think?

Using Versus would be too complicated. I think B-Type is best mode for qualifying. It's just that Level 9 isn't that fast. So, it's not that hard to get 6 Tetrises there (if you know how to skim).

Posted by: myndzi Sep 19 2013, 09:21 AM

Don't confuse complexity on the part of the player (stand in line and play games, try to win) with complexity on the part of the organizer (write a few lines of PHP code and it's not so complex anymore)

Posted by: SiRTeTRiS Sep 19 2013, 03:51 PM

QUOTE(myndzi @ Sep 18 2013, 11:54 PM) *

The head-to-head part is normal A-type vs mode, first to 3.

Re: Qualifying:

For the sake of discussion, my proposal was going to be actual vs games. I don't see the point in playing a single player B-type mode to seed a multiplayer A-type tournament. I think it would be decent to simply rank participants with Elo and let them churn through the seats all day. This would let us run twice as many qualifying matches, and the qualifiers would be testing the same skill that they're going to be competing in. What do you guys think?


I'd definitely tend to agree with this. Some players are much better at a B-Type game than head-to-head. Allowing the B-Type to potentially knock out some of the best VS contenders before they'd even be able to play VS just seems like a bad idea in general to me. It be like having a basketball tourney and deciding who makes it on games of Horse. Now sure you'll most likely get some of the best players, but you're also more than likely going to lose out on some of them as well.

Posted by: myndzi Sep 20 2013, 01:12 AM

I neglected to mention that the bracket matches will be played on level 9.

Posted by: Integration Sep 22 2013, 06:16 AM

Bump

As indicated I had prefered starting on level 0.

The reason: Level 9 gives advantages to the faster player. The 2 players get the same piece sequence and randomizer is (pretty much) memoryless. It's no rarity that you have to wait long for a line piece but then get a bunch of them. If you can perform 3 Tetrises before the opponent receives the line pieces, this will top out your opponent, as on level 9 more empty rows are needed on top to navigate the active piece.

Posted by: myndzi Sep 25 2013, 09:17 PM

Updated timing:

Qualifiers will be Saturday, October 15th between 10:00AM and 3:00PM PST. Finals will start at 3:00PM; the event closes at 6PM.

Last call for volunteers: anyone available?

Posted by: Sisu Oct 3 2013, 09:10 PM

https://www.facebook.com/tetrischampionship/photos/a.271719082868405.69315.121946764512305/635482086492101

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Posted by: Sisu Oct 6 2013, 03:25 PM

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via http://tetrischampionship.com/scoreboard.html

https://scontent.fphx1-2.fna.fbcdn.net/t31.0-8/1273658_637556496284660_1859674798_o.png

Fill it out!

Points for each correct prediction TBD. For now let's say:

Round 1 - 1 point
Round 2 - 2 points
Round 3 - 4 points
Round 4 - 8 points
Round 5 - 16 points

Deadline is 10am PST today.

Highest score wins a lock of Kitaru's hair and a copy of FCEUX. smile.gif

Posted by: Extruderx Oct 6 2013, 03:49 PM

http://challonge.com/nesctwc2013
Seems like it's okay. (Note - I made it that way it accepts predictions, take care to try it out!)

Posted by: Integration Oct 6 2013, 04:50 PM

Here are my predictions. I hardly know anybody from that list though.

http://i43.tinypic.com/sy8luf.png

Best match of first round is Chris Brady vs Dana Wilcox. I went for an outsider tip, namely Dana.

On second round we have Bo Steil vs Ben Mullen (I chose Ben), Joshua Tolles vs Robin Mihara (I chose Joshua), Quaid vs. Matt Buco (I chose Quaid) and Trey Harrison vs David Vulich (I chose David).
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"Poor grandmaster baby" Alex Kerr didn't qualify well and must play against Harry Hong. Harry Hong will take revenge for last years. The other matches seem to be close, too, except that match involving Jonas Neubauer.

I predict Jonas vs Harry (resp. Alex) as final. Jonas leaves the tourney as unbeaten 4 times crowned champion.

Posted by: Sisu Oct 6 2013, 11:40 PM

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Posted by: Integration Oct 7 2013, 06:27 AM

So Kitaru won the SNES tourney. I still don't know the full results. 16 people got 7 Tetrises in the qualifications, that's more than I expected. Luckily the 17th place "only" got 6 Tetrises - it would have been tough to leave somebody out who had performed so well in qualifying.

NES qualifications: http://tetrischampionship.com/scoreboard.html
NES results: http://challonge.com/CWTC_2013
NES stream: http://www.twitch.tv/harddrop/b/467999445
(quarter finals start at 0:04:00, semi finals at 1:03:00 and final at 1:37:00)

The first rounds of NES Tetris were streamed too, but I won't link it. There was also an audio & cam stream for the later rounds, but it looks like it wasn't saved.

Posted by: Sisu Oct 7 2013, 09:11 PM

https://www.facebook.com/tetrischampionship/photos

https://www.facebook.com/tetrischampionship/photos/a.638426022864374.1073741825.121946764512305/638426106197699

^ nvm the noob in this pic. lookie that sexy Hard Drop logo on the banner. Halo.png

Posted by: vipjun Oct 7 2013, 09:59 PM

congrats alex .

Does any1 have the brackets for the multiplayer ? or can reveal who was 2 , 3rd , 4th 5th from memory?

Posted by: Integration Oct 8 2013, 06:13 AM

Conspiracy theorists say there wasn't any SNES tourney and this photo was faked, on the basis that such a https://www.facebook.com/tetrischampionship/photos/a.271719082868405.69315.121946764512305/638436509529992 would have had no chance. #rank 24

Hey Kitaru if you are reading this, I have a hypothetical question: Would you trade your victory in the SNES event for let's say a 3rd (or 2nd or 4th) place in the main event? Reply quickly I have to know!

Posted by: Kitaru Oct 8 2013, 06:30 AM

@vipjun: I can recall the matches I was in, but not certain on the others. It was single elimination without tiebreakers to play off for 3rd/4th etc.. In the round of 16, I played against a younger fellow by the name of Yusef. In the round of 8, I played against Ben Mullen. In the round of 4, I played against Chad Muse. In the finals, I played against Mike Winzinek.

@Integration: I don't want to mull over it too much -- it is what it is. That said, yes, I'd likely be happier if I had made a stronger showing in NES. I don't like saying so, but it'd be a bit disingenuous to imply otherwise.

Posted by: Integration Oct 8 2013, 06:40 AM

So Mike became 2nd yet another time. Was there a close match (3-2)?

Hey you are one of only 3 people who won a trophy and prize money. I would be pleased.

Posted by: Kitaru Oct 8 2013, 07:18 AM

The matches with Ben and Chad were closer. The match with Mike was a bit more decisive, but he did put up a fight each round.

There was no prize money for SNES, but I am pleased with the trophy and handheld NES.

Posted by: Kitaru Oct 9 2013, 02:35 AM

@vipjun: Here is the bracket:

https://www.facebook.com/tetrischampionship/photos/a.639024229471220.1073741826.121946764512305/639024296137880

Posted by: vipjun Oct 9 2013, 03:04 AM

QUOTE(Kitaru @ Oct 8 2013, 10:35 PM) *

@vipjun: Here is the bracket:

https://www.facebook.com/tetrischampionship/photos/a.639024229471220.1073741826.121946764512305/639024296137880



THanks kitaru

Posted by: Sisu Oct 9 2013, 10:49 PM

http://www.twingalaxies.com/article/2441/clash-of-the-titans-the-tetris-world-championship-2013/

Jani Heart.png

related:

http://8bitmistress.weebly.com/

EDIT:

the "Clash of the Titans" recap went down with TG, but Cat DeSpira gave Hard Drop permission to post the full text:

http://harddrop.com/article/article_519/

Posted by: Sisu Oct 12 2013, 07:43 PM

bonus footage:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l2752oaacIc
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ickNKaXZjjY
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ocurgc_twXI
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WdzF8VbFTgY

Robin needs more subscribers. Wink.png

Posted by: Sisu Nov 6 2013, 09:15 PM

Some noteworthy action from rounds 1 & 2:







Thanks Shakil! smile.gif

EDIT:

see also

http://harddrop.com/forums/index.php?s=&showtopic=5804&view=findpost&p=78925

EDIT EDIT:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9LT--Q5AG78

Posted by: Okey_Dokey Sep 24 2018, 04:44 PM

I've read through the https://thectwc.com/rules/ for 2018 and there are a few changes for the NES competition("round zero" 1on1s on Saturday to determine the last 8 spots in the top 32, starting level must be 15 or 18 from top 16 onwards). But the most interesting change involves SNES Tetris.

In the past few years, the SNES tourney was declared as an "amateur" competion. That means participants for SNES weren't allowed to compete in the other Tetris competitions (e.g. NES), thus the starting field was nameless and there wasn't any footage of the competition. This year, there isn't even a SNES tourney. This doesn't necessarily mean that there isn't one in the next year but I don't like the direction it is taking. Multiplayer is treated as an orphan at CTWC. SNES would be a good choice because it is classic, it uses the same rotation system as NES Tetris, and the versus mode is well made. Last year, Sega sponsored CTWC but still no Puyo Puyo Tetris.

Posted by: zpeace Nov 14 2018, 06:34 AM

I missed the SNES competition too. I really enjoyed in it years past as I'm a good casual player, but not an NES qualifier yet. I played tetris effect this year, but it was not too amateur smile.gif Still a great time, I say bring back SNES vs. Tetris.

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