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Posted by: XaeL Jun 24 2010, 11:22 PM

Which keyboard is the best for tetris. Explain why in a 30000 word essay.

Someone should explain steelseries 7G/6Gv2

I'll explain X4 once i get it.


microsoft Sidewinder X4 is a "budget" gaming keyboard. But it packs a punch. at $50, it is the cheapest gaming keyboard, yet is the cheapest with Backlighting, and has almost full anti-keylock (important for tetris because you press 7 random keys on the keyboard and locking = gay). It doesnt have perfect anti-locking (one sensor per key) but it has a complex matrix that is cheap to produce and hence has up to 17 alpha-keys which i think is plenty.
http://consolecreatures.files.wordpress.com/2010/02/swx4_atopview.jpg



Is there a way to add polls. We should get people to vote on stuff like

sidewinder/steelseries/logitech/razer/Saitek

Posted by: myndzi Jun 24 2010, 11:39 PM

http://geekhack.org/

Also props to the Unicomp buckling spring boards and Filco Cherry keyswitch boards.

I think you are using the term "ghosting" wrong, by the way. It shouldn't have anything to do with "locking" as you put it (not being able to press more keys), it is when key signals are sent for keys that weren't pressed. My Filco has full N-Key rollover, so I can press as many as I want biggrin.gif

Edit: I'd really like to try a linear force keyboard though. That'd probably be nicer for Tetris, but I don't know if anybody would really need a keyboard full of those switches. I wonder what it would take to swap out just my arrow keys or something...

Posted by: themysticalninja Jun 24 2010, 11:41 PM

i use the keyboard attached to my laptop, but that first one looked cool

Posted by: Blink Jun 24 2010, 11:43 PM

Yes you can make a poll, but it has to be on the first post and you can't edit your post later on to include it. In other words it's too late for this thread unless you want to remake.

I'm using the Steelseries 7G:

http://cdn-web.steelseries.com/wp-content/uploads/SteelSeries-7G-8.jpg


It's pricey (~$130 US) but it's the best keyboard I've ever used. It doesn't have all the lights, extra buttons, and special features that some gaming keyboards offer, but it's high quality and feels great. It's a bit loud though.

It has antighosting meaning you can press a ton of keys at once and it will all register. It uses mechanical switches, has gold plated connectors for faster response time, and shorter keypress length meaning even a light tap will register.

I haven't tried the 6Gv2 yet but it looks very close to the 7G. It's around $30 less, and from what I've read it has pretty much all the same features. They removed a few things like the handrest and stuff but I never even use that anyway, the thing is huge.

My keyboard (and member DraKKiE's keyboard) before this was a Dell SK-8110:

http://i157.photobucket.com/albums/t48/powerbuy21/DotCom/P7192911.jpg


It was around $10 US and is also another keyboard I could recommend. It's quiet, lasts long and the letterings on the keys don't wear out.

I've also tried a so-called gaming keyboard called Z-Board and all I can say is stay away.

http://lib.store.yahoo.net/lib/xoxide/rc-zboard-gaming-keyboard.jpg


This keyboard is foldable and I think there's many different skins for it. It's horrible for Tetris, the keys sometimes don't register and you have to press them pretty hard. It's a very stiff keyboard and not worth the money.

I'm pretty interested in the Razer brand keyboards though, they look nice but I haven't had the chance to try them out yet.

Posted by: Wojtek Jun 24 2010, 11:50 PM

pro keyboard: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/4/47/Space-cadet.jpg

Posted by: blazen_azn Jun 24 2010, 11:54 PM

i use the touchscreen on my ipad

Posted by: Noogy Jun 25 2010, 12:47 AM

http://www.frys.com/product/5470229
IPB Image

its a 100$ keyboard that is now 65$ -25$ rebate = $40 + shipping.
im a huge fan of logitech (i have their mice, keyboard, headset, etc.)

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16823175104
http://images10.newegg.com/NeweggImage/productimage/23-175-104-07.jpg

saitek keyboard 30$ shipped; i dont know much about this one, i just posted it cause it was cheap

Posted by: Paul676 Jun 25 2010, 01:19 AM

I use a standard dell one which came with my comp, works well enough for me- what are the benefits in tetris of having a nicer one anyway?

Posted by: XaeL Jun 25 2010, 01:36 AM

well relaly it depends on which keys you use.

but for my current keyboard, it locks on z + c, so i cnat hold + rotate left.

It also ghosts on x + c (sending space) so everytime i rotate right + hold it drops the next piece in the centre.

Posted by: poopmo Jun 25 2010, 01:54 AM

I like the ones that have wrist support, makes it easier to play with the arrows.

Posted by: myndzi Jun 25 2010, 02:03 AM

QUOTE(Paul676 @ Jun 25 2010, 01:19 AM) *

I use a standard dell one which came with my comp, works well enough for me- what are the benefits in tetris of having a nicer one anyway?


Specifically for Tetris, I would say that the biggest benefits of a good keyboard to you will be reliable and distinct tactile and audible feedback, and light activation. I can type about 10wpm faster still on my Unicomp because the buckling spring keyswitches are just better than the Cherry ones. The Cherry ones are pretty good though, and they are lighter, so less strain and effort involved in playing. I think the typing speed difference has more to do with acclimatization than anything - I've been typing on a buckling spring for like a decade.

I read that linear force keyboards are superior for gaming, but inferior for typing, and I do more typing than gaming, plus I'm not about to drop $100 on a keyboard just to play Tetris (inb4 but you did it for a joystick!). I'd really like to try one to see how it feels though.

If you want the cheap option, you can usually get a $5 IBM Model M off of eBay or something. It's old and ugly, but extremely nice to type on. It's more effort to push the buttons, but you can't beat it for knowing when keypresses actually get registered, which is important too. Also very loud. This is the same hardware as my Unicomp, the only difference is the Unicomp is like $100 and has USB support (which I didn't realize at the time was inferior to PS/2!) and a smaller footprint. It also came with a clit-mouse which I surgically removed. mellow.gif

There are probably suggestions for cheap Cherry keyboards and the like on the forum I posted earlier. I remember reading a review thread that rated a number of keyboards for both typing and gaming, and the Steelseries actually came up short in that list.

Edit for my keyboards:
http://i48.tinypic.com/2dvluup.jpg


http://i49.tinypic.com/2cg27tg.jpg


(Well, I have a 10-key on that last one, but I couldn't immediately find a good picture that included it)

Posted by: XaeL Jun 25 2010, 02:08 AM

after reading tons of keyboard crap,
cherry-switch keyboards seem to be the win for cheapo gamers like me.

Posted by: Kitaru Jun 25 2010, 02:23 AM

Apple m7803
http://www.turningpointtechnology.com/img/KG/Apple/M7803.jpg


+Responsible for http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KfDPUAluwpo and http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VMBO-6aqnTU.
+Allows many simultaneous keypresses. Most importantly, it will allow things like 3 arrows + ZXC + Shift or 2 arrows + ZXC + Shift + Space.
+Fairly short travel, engage distance.
+Shape of up/down arrow keys good for flicking drop-locks in TGM-style games.

-Does not allow SDF + Space + JKL, but does allow up to 6 in that combo, weird layouts like Shift + ZX + Space + BNM, etc.. (Sorry music game players, you're going to have to make do with some awkward layouts if you want to get those BS 7 key holds. :P)

Overall, this keyboard has served me very well. I use it just about every time I'm playing games. My laptop keyboard is really bad for most games since it blocks important key combinations, but I do use it for music games since it accepts SDF + Space + JKL. For most everything else, though, my keyboard of choice is the trusty m7803.

Posted by: caffeine Jun 25 2010, 03:10 AM

http://www.earthcomputer.sg/catalog/images/razeratasha.jpg



I've gone through cheap and pricey keyboards, but this is the one I've stayed with.

Posted by: XaeL Jun 25 2010, 03:28 AM

my brother uses an arctosa. It seems pretty good. fairly light to press.


FKKKKKKKKK I WANT A MECHANICAL KEYBOARD sad.gif

Posted by: DAS44 Jun 25 2010, 07:43 PM

I use the wireless POS that came with my comp that cuts out ever 5 or so minutes...

My only issue is that its wireless, I like having a cable.

Posted by: XaeL Jun 25 2010, 09:51 PM

cables are yay. i'm a cable freak

I have a laptop, but i plug it into lan
I have a wired mouse.
i have wired headset because the speakers on my laptop are too lao'd

Posted by: Someone2knoe Jun 26 2010, 07:28 AM

I don't really care what keyboard i play on at all.

The only time I was surprised was when I played on an apple keyboard. The keys are pretty thin so it seemed like i was able to respond a lot faster. I don't really see any other benefits to other keyboards.

Posted by: WhiteTigerShiro Jun 26 2010, 01:25 PM

Thinking about getting one of those Tron Keyboards that were announced:

http://www.engadget.com/photos/tron-legacy-peripheral-press-shots/#3112573

The WiiMote looks kinda awesome, too.

Posted by: ohitsstef Jun 26 2010, 03:11 PM

i have the best keyboard in the woorrrlldd
Ge Ho97764 Power Keyboard

IPB Image

BAM! so great, they couldn't make the picture bigger for you
smile.gif

and it's great for a $10 keyboard -coughs


>_< i play tetris mostly on my laptop though
sony vaio
http://media.laptoplogic.com/data/reviews/images/207/vaio_keyboard.jpg


sony's have nice keyboards imo .. for laptops =P

Posted by: Blink Aug 31 2010, 05:04 PM

Thermaltake just came out with this, ~$149 U.S.

http://www.overclockersclub.com/vimages/computex2010/ttesports_08.jpg


Seems to have everything the Steelseries 7G has along with 1000 mhz polling rate.

Posted by: jennr246 Aug 31 2010, 06:44 PM

Just get this one its the best wink.gif



http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B001F51G16/ref=s9_simh_gw_p23_i1?pf_rd_m=ATVPDKIKX0DER&pf_rd_s=center-2&pf_rd_r=1K4TZ603YFBHJ5YC8X29&pf_rd_t=101&pf_rd_p=470938631&pf_rd_i=507846

Posted by: Johnny147 Aug 31 2010, 07:30 PM

This is what I have. I like it.
http://bestgamingkeyboards.com/Products/Keyboards/images/logitech/Eclipsell/PK02_EclipseII_main_image_lit.jpg

Posted by: jemm_4 Aug 31 2010, 07:37 PM

QUOTE(themysticalninja @ Jun 24 2010, 07:41 PM) *

i use the keyboard attached to my laptop, but that first one looked cool


agreed!
QUOTE(ohitsstef @ Jun 26 2010, 11:11 AM) *

i have the best keyboard in the woorrrlldd
Ge Ho97764 Power Keyboard

IPB Image

BAM! so great, they couldn't make the picture bigger for you
smile.gif

and it's great for a $10 keyboard -coughs
>_< i play tetris mostly on my laptop though
sony vaio
http://media.laptoplogic.com/data/reviews/images/207/vaio_keyboard.jpg

sony's have nice keyboards imo .. for laptops =P

thats the one i use...

QUOTE(Johnny147 @ Aug 31 2010, 03:30 PM) *

This is what I have. I like it.
http://bestgamingkeyboards.com/Products/Keyboards/images/logitech/Eclipsell/PK02_EclipseII_main_image_lit.jpg


this one is cool

Posted by: myndzi Aug 31 2010, 09:10 PM

QUOTE(Blink @ Aug 31 2010, 05:04 PM) *

Thermaltake just came out with this, ~$149 U.S.

http://www.overclockersclub.com/vimages/computex2010/ttesports_08.jpg

Seems to have everything the Steelseries 7G has along with 1000 mhz polling rate.


And you know what they say, there's only one thing better than polling at 1000 mhz.

PS/2 wink.gif

Posted by: XaeL Aug 31 2010, 10:26 PM

razer came out with a gaming mechanical:
http://au.razerzone.com/gaming-keyboards/razer-blackwidow-ultimate/
http://ap.razerzone.com/images/products/blackwidow-ultimate.jpg

Posted by: coolmaninsano Aug 31 2010, 10:30 PM

http://www.notebookcheck.net/uploads/tx_nbc2/0_1425_sz_1_i_208036_00.jpg

That is the keyboard I use, and yes, I use those microscopic arrow keys. I am considering moving to PL;' as a replacement for them, but that won't happen immediately. *Changes keys in NullpoMino.*

Posted by: DAS44 Nov 27 2010, 01:20 AM

I need a keyboard that, obviously functions well, is quiet (no fxcking clacking keys).

50 bucks is my ceiling. (I'm an intern, fxck off)

Suggestions?

Posted by: SecretSalamander Nov 27 2010, 01:24 AM

http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/41E3p5iPdmL.jpg

http://www.amazon.com/Kensington-64370A-Keyboard-life-USB/dp/B0002SAF64

Posted by: Blink Dec 23 2010, 12:07 PM

Is it true that PS/2 keyboards perform better than USB ones? I found this off of steelseries 7G website:

QUOTE

USB OR PS/2?
We absolutely recommend using the PS/2 connector when possible. First,it will give you total freedom with no limit to the amount of simultaneous key presses. And, equally as important, using the PS/2 may just improve your overall gaming experience.

When you use a USB keyboard your computer is actually using CPU time polling your keyboard. The higher the polling rate the more CPU time is used to perform the polling. And because of the built-in debounce rate found on any quality keyboard, any polling rate above 200Hz is simply a waste of CPU time and really just a result of p?intless marketing hype.

Unlike USB keyboards a PS/2 keyboard isnít polled at all. The keyboard simply sends a signal to the computer as key presses are made, which causes a hardware interrupt, forcing the CPU to register the signal. The 7G is built with a PS/2 connector as standard, but we also included a PS/2 to USB adapter in the box. The choice is yours.


I've been using my USB connector for my keyboard, but after this switched back to PS/2 mode. What do you guys think?

Posted by: meow Dec 23 2010, 01:12 PM

I would never trust marketing propaganda.

http://geekhack.org/showwiki.php?title=USB+versus+PS+2

QUOTE
Polled versus Interrupt
The USB interface is polled meaning that the computer on a regular basis checks the keyboard for key presses / releases. Up to 7 keystrokes (modifier plus characters) is put into a packet and sent when using the standard USB HID (Human Interface Device) driver. The PS/2 interface on the other hand is interrupt driven, meaning only when a key is pressed / released does the keyboard send a signal to the computer. Although this SOUNDS good the practical effect is negligible due to the overhead of the OS and applications. Keyboard marketing departments like Steelseries would like you to believe this. I recommend you test for yourself but just swapping keyboards. You'll STILL see the keys lagging periodically under PS/2. And anyway it can't be all that bad since even SteelSeries latest gaming keyboard the SHIFT is USB only.


http://www.overclock.net/keyboards/835911-usb-vs-ps-2-keyboard-latency-8.html
QUOTE
...PS/2 tested to be 4ms faster...


PS/2
+ Full NKRO if your keyboard supports that
+ is faster theoretically but difference unnoticeable due to OS/app overhead

Posted by: dhuang413 Feb 19 2013, 05:51 PM

Just curious, what keyboards do you guys use? My laptop keyboard isn't working out too well right now.

Posted by: Paradox Feb 19 2013, 07:22 PM

Steelseries 7g

Posted by: ohitsstef Feb 19 2013, 08:10 PM

shizi and i use the das professional keyboards.
his is das professional clicky
mine is das professional tactile soft

. __ . when mine falls apart (if ever) i'm going to get the blank das ultimate keyboard - it doesnt have inscriptions on the keys.

Posted by: FelipeMayrink Feb 19 2013, 09:05 PM

I use a very standard and generic http://z0ltan77.files.wordpress.com/2012/05/tastatura-cu-fir1.jpg, but I WISH I had a Das Professional Keyboard. I would feel awesome everytime I typed.

Posted by: dhuang413 Feb 19 2013, 09:34 PM

Thanks everyone!

Those look so expensive though. :/

Would any of you happen to know where I could get one cheap (around $60)?

Posted by: myndzi Feb 19 2013, 09:47 PM

Good keyboards cost money...

Posted by: ohitsstef Feb 19 2013, 10:02 PM

QUOTE(dhuang413 @ Feb 19 2013, 09:34 PM) *

Thanks everyone!

Those look so expensive though. :/

Would any of you happen to know where I could get one cheap (around $60)?


you could get a cheap pos logitech keyboard for $10.
i could sell you my softly microsoft wireless keyboard + mouse for $20 i think new it's $60. i don't use it since i have the das keyboard and new mouse Sticking Out Tongue.png

QUOTE(myndzi @ Feb 19 2013, 09:47 PM) *

Good keyboards cost money...


^ true

Posted by: myndzi Feb 19 2013, 10:45 PM

(Of course, if you don't know firsthand what makes a good keyboard for your purposes, it may not be worth springing for one)

Posted by: XaeL Feb 19 2013, 11:25 PM

QUOTE(dhuang413 @ Feb 19 2013, 09:34 PM) *

Thanks everyone!

Those look so expensive though. :/

Would any of you happen to know where I could get one cheap (around $60)?

Do you even know what a good keyboard is?

http://www.overclock.net/t/491752/mechanical-keyboard-guide

this is mine:
http://cdn2-b.examiner.com/sites/default/files/styles/image_content_width/hash/18/0b/180bcbef451752d089df93644411a3e4.jpg

its about $90 AUD = $8x US

I got it because its the cheapest brown switch i could find. I still toss up between blues/browns. I think browns with O-rings would be my ultimate keyboard lol.

Posted by: ohitsstef Feb 19 2013, 11:46 PM

Maybe he's not looking for a good keyboard... He only asked what we used and that he wanted to buy one.


If you're looking for just any ol keyboard cheapest I've seen is 10$ but it sucks

Posted by: dhuang413 Feb 20 2013, 12:05 AM

Hmm, yeah I guess I'm looking for a somewhat decent one? I only go about 2.5-2.7ish pps and there are still quite a bit of lost key inputs when I'm playing. Maybe my keyboard's just old and worn out, not sure.

Thanks everyone for the help though!

Posted by: ohitsstef Feb 20 2013, 12:11 AM

QUOTE(dhuang413 @ Feb 20 2013, 12:05 AM) *

Hmm, yeah I guess I'm looking for a somewhat decent one? I only go about 2.5-2.7ish pps and there are still quite a bit of lost key inputs when I'm playing. Maybe my keyboard's just old and worn out, not sure.

Thanks everyone for the help though!


i think the majority of the users replying have higher end keyboards
higher end will always be expensive - definitely over $60
although they're expensive they perform significantly better

ex - paul's 40 lines improved really quickly after he bought a nicer keyboard that was around 90.. maybe 80.. .. iono how much it was.

Posted by: MarioThePhenom Feb 20 2013, 12:13 AM

i have a steelseries 6gv2, but i subbed thirty with just a regular 20 dollar keybored Sticking Out Tongue.png
i subbed thirty more often with this one though

Posted by: dhuang413 Feb 20 2013, 12:20 AM

QUOTE(ohitsstef @ Feb 20 2013, 12:11 AM) *

i think the majority of the users replying have higher end keyboards
higher end will always be expensive - definitely over $60
although they're expensive they perform significantly better

ex - paul's 40 lines improved really quickly after he bought a nicer keyboard that was around 90.. maybe 80.. .. iono how much it was.


Hmm yeah, I noticed that too. I guess my only problem is that I need to ship it home if I buy it with my debit card, so I need my parents' approval. Not too sure they would approve the purchase of a $100+ keyboard, but I myself would have no problem spending the money.

Thanks again!

Posted by: XaeL Feb 20 2013, 12:31 AM

I don't think keyboard will have any performance impact, it just feels nicer
As long as ur keyboard doesn't drop inputs or anything stupid, a rubber dome is completely fine.

I just like finger-gasms everytime i press keys.

Posted by: dhuang413 Feb 20 2013, 12:41 AM

QUOTE(XaeL @ Feb 20 2013, 12:31 AM) *

I don't think keyboard will have any performance impact, it just feels nicer
As long as ur keyboard doesn't drop inputs or anything stupid, a rubber dome is completely fine.

I just like finger-gasms everytime i press keys.


Yeah, my exact problem was dropped inputs and delayed reactions. It's blatantly obvious when it happens too sometimes.

Posted by: XaeL Feb 20 2013, 12:43 AM

QUOTE(dhuang413 @ Feb 20 2013, 12:41 AM) *

Yeah, my exact problem was dropped inputs and delayed reactions. It's blatantly obvious when it happens too sometimes.

Ok, if you want cheap and don't care about mechanical, look up QSenn.

Its a rubber dome keyboard that a lot of korean Professional starcraft1 players used, and even to this day several starcraft2 players (DRG comes to mind) use.


http://www.ebay.com/itm/Samsung-Qsenn-Korean-English-Keyboard-SEM-DT35-Black-/170618996260

http://www.ebay.com/itm/QSENN-SEM-DT35-COMBO-USB-PS2-Samsung-Generic-Keyboard-Korean-English-Black-/180891170588?pt=PCA_Mice_Trackballs&hash=item2a1df4371c

http://www.ebay.com/itm/NEW-QSENN-SEM-DT35-Generic-Keyboard-COMBO-USB-PS2-Adapter-White-Korean-English-/180890223997?pt=PCA_Mice_Trackballs&hash=item2a1de5c57d

Posted by: dhuang413 Feb 20 2013, 12:48 AM

QUOTE(XaeL @ Feb 20 2013, 12:43 AM) *

Ok, if you want cheap and don't care about mechanical, look up QSenn.

Its a rubber dome keyboard that a lot of korean Professional starcraft1 players used, and even to this day several starcraft2 players (DRG comes to mind) use.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Samsung-Qsenn-Korean-English-Keyboard-SEM-DT35-Black-/170618996260

http://www.ebay.com/itm/QSENN-SEM-DT35-COMBO-USB-PS2-Samsung-Generic-Keyboard-Korean-English-Black-/180891170588?pt=PCA_Mice_Trackballs&hash=item2a1df4371c


Hmm.. I think I actually want to get one of the ones you guys have. I just need to get my parents' approval first >.<

Posted by: XaeL Feb 20 2013, 12:49 AM

QUOTE(dhuang413 @ Feb 20 2013, 12:48 AM) *

Hmm.. I think I actually want to get one of the ones you guys have. I just need to get my parents' approval first >.<


Ok, in that case:

Backlighting or no backlighting?

Do you want to type on this, or mainly tetris, or a mix?
Traditional or gamey? (e.g. do you want it to look like a completley normal keyboard, then when someone uses it BAM it feels amazing)

Posted by: dhuang413 Feb 20 2013, 12:53 AM

QUOTE(XaeL @ Feb 20 2013, 12:49 AM) *

Ok, in that case:

Backlighting or no backlighting?

Do you want to type on this, or mainly tetris, or a mix?
  • Typing -> MX Blue (not as good for double tapping)
  • Mix -> MX Brown
  • Gaming -> MX Black/Red (good for double-tapping)
Traditional or gamey? (e.g. do you want it to look like a completley normal keyboard, then when someone uses it BAM it feels amazing)


I think backlighting would look really cool. I think mainly Tetris, because I can just type on my normal keyboard. I don't mind if it looks weird because I'm only going to use it for Tetris.
So I guess MX Black/Red would be optimal?

Posted by: XaeL Feb 20 2013, 01:00 AM

QUOTE(dhuang413 @ Feb 20 2013, 12:53 AM) *

I think backlighting would look really cool. I think mainly Tetris, because I can just type on my normal keyboard. I don't mind if it looks weird because I'm only going to use it for Tetris.
So I guess MX Black/Red would be optimal?

All mechanical keyboards of any switch are > for typing than a regular keyboard.

What colour backlighting?

Since you currently use a rubber dome, you probably slam your keys really hard and hence should probably stick to MX Blacks

Do you want a numpad?

Current Recommendation:
Ducky Shine
wasdkeyboards
tankguys

Less Recommended:
Generic gaming brands (coolermaster,razer,steelseries etc)

Posted by: caffeine Feb 20 2013, 01:07 AM

I'm using a http://www.amazon.com/Storm-QuickFire-Rapid-Mechanical-SGK-4000-GKCC1-US/dp/B007VDFSG0, although I think the red cherries are also worth looking into. Since it's tenkeyless, I also have a separate numpad on the side.

http://i.imgur.com/Ipyzi5p.jpg

Posted by: dhuang413 Feb 20 2013, 01:14 AM

QUOTE(XaeL @ Feb 20 2013, 01:00 AM) *

All mechanical keyboards of any switch are > for typing than a regular keyboard.

What colour backlighting?

Since you currently use a rubber dome, you probably slam your keys really hard and hence should probably stick to MX Blacks

Do you want a numpad?

Current Recommendation:
Ducky Shine
wasdkeyboards
tankguys

Less Recommended:
Generic gaming brands (coolermaster,razer,steelseries etc)


Any color would be awesome to me.
I don't mind not having a numpad,and unfortunately I do slam them pretty hard. >.< People can hear me playing from outside.
Caff, I'll definitely look into the one you have.

Posted by: XaeL Feb 20 2013, 01:27 AM

QUOTE(caffeine @ Feb 20 2013, 01:07 AM) *

I'm using a http://www.amazon.com/Storm-QuickFire-Rapid-Mechanical-SGK-4000-GKCC1-US/dp/B007VDFSG0, although I think the red cherries are also worth looking into. Since it's tenkeyless, I also have a separate numpad on the side.

http://i.imgur.com/Ipyzi5p.jpg


good keyboard. If i didnt use the numpad i would have gotten that one. My current one has ugly CM branding all over it (i prefer a "normal" keyboard look"

@dhuang note this doesnt have backlighting

I personally think backlighting is overhyped, its totally not necessary.

Posted by: Paul676 Feb 20 2013, 04:46 AM

Mine's nice for typing and tetris - it's a Corsair K60 - and Polaris has got the K90. I'm sure everyone's nice keyboards are nice for tetris. The thing with membrane keyboards is that you don't know what you're gonna get when you buy it - it's more of a risk. My old membrane keyboard was good, but I have typed on so many worse ones!

Posted by: dhuang413 Feb 20 2013, 06:06 AM

Everyone's keyboards look so nice! So hard for me to decide which one to get. :/

I really appreciate everyone's help though!

Posted by: XaeL Feb 20 2013, 06:37 AM

Try going to a store and experimenting with switches.

Posted by: dhuang413 Feb 20 2013, 06:46 AM

QUOTE(XaeL @ Feb 20 2013, 06:37 AM) *

Try going to a store and experimenting with switches.


I thought these had to be ordered online, no?

Posted by: XaeL Feb 20 2013, 06:50 AM

QUOTE(dhuang413 @ Feb 20 2013, 06:46 AM) *

I thought these had to be ordered online, no?

Nope, lots of stores here sell them. And this is australia, which is ages behind in tech to americaland.

Buying online is cheaper. Do what you would do with shoes. Try them out in a store, buy online for winning.

List of features in order of Importance:

Posted by: Barneey Feb 20 2013, 01:08 PM

I've always used my laptop keyboard, i've many times wondered what it's like to play on a mechanical one, but
i dont want too invest in it because i dont think it'll be much different.

Posted by: apm10 Feb 20 2013, 05:16 PM

I had a 6gv2 with black switches, and now I'm using a http://dark-disaster.blogspot.com/2011/09/my-first-mechanical-keyboard-plu-ml_16.html with red switches. IMO mech keyboards dont really matter much when playing tetris, I only have it because I was a hardcore rhythm gamer. If you really want one then I would recommend red switches, since it take very little force to push the key down. Blue is better in terms of finger endurance , and red is better for speed.

Posted by: Blink Feb 20 2013, 11:21 PM

I've been using the same SteelSeries 7G for about 4 years now, and it works just like new. Along with the feel, responsiveness and sound it makes, I like how easy mechanical keyboards are to clean. It's hands down the most reliable keyboard I've used, and I don't regret the $140 I paid for it back then. I think it's $110ish now.

I have my eyes set on the Steelseries 6GV2 Cherry Red Edition though, supposed to be similar to the 7g but requires even less pressure for keypresses.

Posted by: dhuang413 Feb 21 2013, 12:16 AM

QUOTE(Blink @ Feb 20 2013, 11:21 PM) *

I've been using the same SteelSeries 7G for about 4 years now, and it works just like new. Along with the feel, responsiveness and sound it makes, I like how easy mechanical keyboards are to clean. It's hands down the most reliable keyboard I've used, and I don't regret the $140 I paid for it back then. I think it's $110ish now.

I have my eyes set on the Steelseries 6GV2 Cherry Red Edition though, supposed to be similar to the 7g but requires even less pressure for keypresses.


Both of those Steelseries keyboards look so enticing. x.x

Hmm.. I think less pressure for keypresses is a factor I strongly take into consideration, so I guess I want the 6GV2.

Everything's so expensive though! But I guess it's worth it because they're easy to clean?

Posted by: XaeL Feb 21 2013, 12:20 AM

QUOTE(dhuang413 @ Feb 21 2013, 12:16 AM) *

Both of those Steelseries keyboards look so enticing. x.x

Hmm.. I think less pressure for keypresses is a factor I strongly take into consideration, so I guess I want the 6GV2.

Everything's so expensive though! But I guess it's worth it because they're easy to clean?

Still haven't cleaned mine and been using it for 2 months.

Posted by: myndzi Feb 21 2013, 12:33 AM

QUOTE(dhuang413 @ Feb 21 2013, 12:16 AM) *

Both of those Steelseries keyboards look so enticing. x.x

Hmm.. I think less pressure for keypresses is a factor I strongly take into consideration, so I guess I want the 6GV2.

Everything's so expensive though! But I guess it's worth it because they're easy to clean?


It's worth it because of the sound and feel of the switches + the circuitry (key rollover, etc.)

Posted by: Blink Feb 21 2013, 12:37 AM

Also they can take a beating, and last a long time.... compared to my prevous keyboards anyway. Another thing I like is that the lettering on the keys haven't faded much after 4 years. Keys and switches aside, the weight and feel of the keyboard itself is nice, it's pretty heavy for a keyboard and just feels high quality overall.

Posted by: ohitsstef Feb 21 2013, 12:51 AM

QUOTE(Blink @ Feb 21 2013, 12:37 AM) *

Also they can take a beating, and last a long time.... compared to my prevous keyboards anyway. Another thing I like is that the lettering on the keys haven't faded much after 4 years. Keys and switches aside, the weight and feel of the keyboard itself is nice, it's pretty heavy for a keyboard and just feels high quality overall.


abusing your keyboard

Posted by: XaeL Feb 21 2013, 12:57 AM

QUOTE(Blink @ Feb 21 2013, 12:37 AM) *

Also they can take a beating, and last a long time.... compared to my prevous keyboards anyway. Another thing I like is that the lettering on the keys haven't faded much after 4 years. Keys and switches aside, the weight and feel of the keyboard itself is nice, it's pretty heavy for a keyboard and just feels high quality overall.

Killed my first mechanical KB in < 1 year

Posted by: Blink Feb 21 2013, 02:48 AM

QUOTE(XaeL @ Feb 20 2013, 04:57 PM) *

Killed my first mechanical KB in < 1 year


Not all mechanical keyboards are created equal =(. I can only speak for my experience with the SS 7G. What did you have btw?

Posted by: dhuang413 Feb 21 2013, 02:49 AM

QUOTE(Blink @ Feb 21 2013, 12:37 AM) *

Also they can take a beating, and last a long time.... compared to my prevous keyboards anyway. Another thing I like is that the lettering on the keys haven't faded much after 4 years. Keys and switches aside, the weight and feel of the keyboard itself is nice, it's pretty heavy for a keyboard and just feels high quality overall.


Four years is definitely more than enough for me. I'm not sure I'll have time to play after college. Frown.png

I just need to find a way to get my parents' approval, but I want one soooo badly.

Posted by: XaeL Feb 21 2013, 10:42 PM

QUOTE(Blink @ Feb 21 2013, 02:48 AM) *

Not all mechanical keyboards are created equal =(. I can only speak for my experience with the SS 7G. What did you have btw?

Adesso 135MKB its like $60 US, but like $110 AUD Frown.png

The cheapest blues u can get i think.

I've since upgraded to somethign better (see first post coz i have shit memory and cant remember what it was called)

Posted by: SecretSalander Feb 21 2013, 10:45 PM

how much of a difference does keyboard even make? i have some crappy laptop keyboard on a vaio...

Posted by: XaeL Feb 21 2013, 11:08 PM

QUOTE(SecretSalander @ Feb 21 2013, 10:45 PM) *

how much of a difference does keyboard even make? i have some crappy laptop keyboard on a vaio...

depends.

For me, not much difference once i get used to it. As long as your keyboard isnt losing inputs it should be fine.

But its nice to have a luxury keyboard.

Posted by: jezevec10 Feb 21 2013, 11:48 PM

Keyboard you say hmmmm .. maybe thats why I still didnt sub 40 ahah

Posted by: MarioThePhenom Feb 21 2013, 11:56 PM

QUOTE(XaeL @ Feb 21 2013, 11:08 PM) *

depends.

For me, not much difference once i get used to it. As long as your keyboard isnt losing inputs it should be fine.

But its nice to have a luxury keyboard.

no difference until youre really fast i guess, like i subbed 30 with a basic keyboard

Posted by: XaeL Feb 22 2013, 12:34 AM

QUOTE(MarioThePhenom @ Feb 21 2013, 11:56 PM) *

no difference ever


Posted by: MarioThePhenom Feb 22 2013, 12:49 AM

this has been the first time ever that i quoted the wrong person, just noticed that, meant to quote salander
whoooops

Posted by: dhuang413 Feb 23 2013, 01:37 AM

Apparently Amazon has the SteelSeries 6Gv2 with Red Cherry Switches for only $100 (no shipping).

Such a good deal!

Posted by: Lucho Feb 23 2013, 03:22 AM

I got this keyboard today as a present:

http://www.bit-tech.net/news/hardware/2010/06/03/thermaltake-s-gaming-keyboard-is-fan-modded/1

seems very comfortable so far as I dont have to press the keys so hard, good for tetoris

Posted by: Paul676 Feb 23 2013, 04:15 AM

The biggest thing I've found with a mechanical keyboard is that das is quicker with it, because the time it takes for the key to go from halfway down to bottoming out is included in the mech keyboard in the das but not in the old keyboard. That in itself enabled me to go 3 secs faster in tf.

Posted by: clincher Feb 23 2013, 06:00 AM

QUOTE(caffeine @ Feb 20 2013, 01:07 AM) *

I'm using a http://www.amazon.com/Storm-QuickFire-Rapid-Mechanical-SGK-4000-GKCC1-US/dp/B007VDFSG0, although I think the red cherries are also worth looking into. Since it's tenkeyless, I also have a separate numpad on the side.

http://i.imgur.com/Ipyzi5p.jpg

I got this keyboard today, except mine has blue switches and doesn't have all the ugly logos.

I gotta say, it's the best keyboard I've ever used. The feel when typing on this is unbelievable... I can't believe it took me so long to get a mechanical keyboard.

Posted by: XaeL Feb 23 2013, 08:55 AM

QUOTE(clincher @ Feb 23 2013, 06:00 AM) *

I got this keyboard today, except mine has blue switches and doesn't have all the ugly logos.

I gotta say, it's the best keyboard I've ever used. The feel when typing on this is unbelievable... I can't believe it took me so long to get a mechanical keyboard.

lol, cm make good keyboards. the only bad part is the bullshit logos everywhere...

The hotkeys are really good design (fn keys taht is)

Posted by: dhuang413 Feb 23 2013, 04:34 PM

Yay! My parents let me buy the Steelseries 6Gv2! Smile.png

Posted by: Panda Feb 23 2013, 11:21 PM

QUOTE(dhuang413 @ Feb 23 2013, 04:34 PM) *

Yay! My parents let me buy the Steelseries 6Gv2! Smile.png



Haha congrats, make sure to leave a review about it! Sticking Out Tongue.png

Posted by: XaeL Feb 24 2013, 12:29 AM

QUOTE(dhuang413 @ Feb 23 2013, 04:34 PM) *

Yay! My parents let me buy the Steelseries 6Gv2! Smile.png

redredredredredred

Posted by: dhuang413 Feb 24 2013, 01:33 AM

QUOTE(XaeL @ Feb 24 2013, 12:29 AM) *

redredredredredred

Yup! I got the one with Cherry Red Switches. I can't wait til it comes!

Posted by: caffeine Feb 24 2013, 02:42 AM

QUOTE(dhuang413 @ Feb 23 2013, 07:33 PM) *

Yup! I got the one with Cherry Red Switches. I can't wait til it comes!

Congrats! Please let us know what it's like when you get it in. I'm curious about the red cherries.

Posted by: XaeL Feb 24 2013, 02:46 AM

QUOTE(caffeine @ Feb 24 2013, 02:42 AM) *

Congrats! Please let us know what it's like when you get it in. I'm curious about the red cherries.

They'll feel excatly 45/55% of the pressure of blacks

Posted by: MarioThePhenom Feb 24 2013, 03:07 AM

now we'll have the same keyboard! wooo

Posted by: caffeine Feb 24 2013, 05:44 AM

QUOTE(XaeL @ Feb 23 2013, 08:46 PM) *

They'll feel excatly 45/55% of the pressure of blacks

I suppose I'm more interested in a qualitative description of the actual feel of the keys than strictly a quantitative one.

Posted by: dhuang413 Feb 24 2013, 02:20 PM

QUOTE(caffeine @ Feb 24 2013, 05:44 AM) *

I suppose I'm more interested in a qualitative description of the actual feel of the keys than strictly a quantitative one.


Yeah, I'll definitely get back to you guys on that when it arrives! One week of waiting though Frown.png

Posted by: breadfish Feb 24 2013, 09:05 PM

I think it also depends on what game you're playing.

I have a Levetron and for me it works awesomely on Cultris. It's like my brain is connected to the machine, it responds to every little tap flawlessly.

It works quite well with Heboris, not that great with Nullpomino, and TF is just complete doodoo.

It can DAS really well in Nullpo but it seems to hate tap spam in that game so I have to be careful to not double tap too quickly.

Posted by: VladtheImpala Sep 30 2013, 05:27 AM

I've been stuck at 34.95 for a while now (I guess not THAT long, but I get frustrated easily), and I was wondering if people thought that getting a better keyboard would make a significant difference in my playing speed. Right now i just use my mac laptop keyboard, which I could conceive of being suboptimal (though the action on it is fairly low, and i definitely am quite used to it). Does anyone have any input on whether or not keyboard changing would help?

Posted by: eevor Sep 30 2013, 09:24 AM

QUOTE(VladtheImpala @ Sep 30 2013, 05:27 AM) *

I've been stuck at 34.95 for a while now (I guess not THAT long, but I get frustrated easily), and I was wondering if people thought that getting a better keyboard would make a significant difference in my playing speed. Right now i just use my mac laptop keyboard, which I could conceive of being suboptimal (though the action on it is fairly low, and i definitely am quite used to it). Does anyone have any input on whether or not keyboard changing would help?


I've played on 4 completely different keyboards lately (laptop, mechanical, apple chiclet and some old dell). After getting used to each one, there is no difference for me in speed. Maybe I needed a little more time to get used to mechanical one because I've used low profile keyboards in the past years.

Anyway, if your keyboard is not broken and if you are used to it and find it comfortable, I don't believe you would have significant difference buying new one.

Posted by: PolarisTR Sep 30 2013, 12:38 PM

When I was trying to sub 40, I bought a blue switch mechanical keyboard and I beat my record that night (around 3 hours play time). I feel the main reason I prefer mechanical keyboards is that they are easier to use. I could happily tap away for hours without the slightest discomfort, whereas on a normal or my current (brown switch) keyboard feel discomfort after 5 minutes.

I use a Macbook Pro keyboard when I play away from home. And I can still get decent times. 27.49 seconds is my best on it, which is only one second behind my real record.

I think it all comes down to comfort, if you have to take breaks constantly using your current keyboard, then I would change it.

Posted by: ohitsstef Sep 30 2013, 02:54 PM

I agree with Polaris, it's really up to your comfort level.

I switched from a really gummy keyboard to a das mechanical keyboard.. and now I loveeeee the mechanical keyboard. I wouldn't be able to play on a mac keyboard.. their keys are so small. I have fat fingers.

Posted by: Intendant Sep 30 2013, 07:28 PM

I dont think the keyboard will make a big difference. As long it rekognizes your finger fast enough and with a minimum of a delay, it should be fine. I also have to agree with polaris and steff, its more about you being comfortable with it. I prefer big keyboards with big keys. I also like the press the keys all the way down, i dont really feel comfortable with in-built laptop keyboards, they seem to be smooth but i miss the buttons way to often and get hasty since there is no clear difference when you start and when you stop. I never tried mechanical ones, but i think id love them.

Posted by: yoyoyo Nov 24 2013, 09:35 AM

Especially the fast players.

Posted by: Extruderx Nov 24 2013, 10:11 AM

I'm using the same keyboard Caffeine uses (Cooler Master QuickFire Rapid), it's the best for me
(It helped me to get 35 seconds at 40 lines).

Though I'm also interested in keyboards with Cherry MX Red mechanical switches, because they're easier to press (however, there are none of these in my stores, so I would hit Internet shops someday).

Posted by: Barneey Nov 24 2013, 11:30 AM

I use a shitty laptop keyboard

Posted by: GODOFWAR22 Nov 24 2013, 04:02 PM

I like the red switches too...

Posted by: morningpee Nov 24 2013, 04:20 PM

I like my MacBook's keyboard a lot for gaming (though not the machine itself). Similarly, if I have to use a USB keyboard, it'll always be http://store.apple.com/us/product/MB110LL bad boy. You can find it for way less than $50.

Posted by: ohitsstef Nov 24 2013, 05:49 PM

Please note for future - there is a search option on the top right corner of the forums page. Use that before posting a new thread, so we don't have duplicates.

I use a soft das keyboard.



Posted by: PolarisTR Nov 25 2013, 08:57 AM

QUOTE(ohitsstef @ Nov 24 2013, 05:49 PM) *

Please note for future - there is a search option on the top right corner of the forums page. Use that before posting a new thread, so we don't have duplicates.

I use a soft das keyboard.


Das Ultimate Blank Blue Switch?


Posted by: ohitsstef Nov 25 2013, 03:28 PM

MX brown
shizi uses the blue

Posted by: PolarisTR Nov 25 2013, 10:23 PM

I've got that same keyboard, brown switches too! It's a dream to type on (\._./)

http://www.daskeyboard.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2010/07/daskeyboard.jpg

Posted by: ohitsstef Nov 26 2013, 05:00 AM

QUOTE(PolarisTR @ Nov 25 2013, 10:23 PM) *

I've got that same keyboard, brown switches too! It's a dream to type on (\._./)

http://www.daskeyboard.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2010/07/daskeyboard.jpg


yeah it's awesome! Grin.png

Posted by: coconutcrusher Nov 26 2013, 10:01 PM

I use a $10 Logitech K120. Sticking Out Tongue.png

Y'know, I've noticed whenever I'm looking at keyboards at a store, whether it be mechanical or a laptop, I'm testing it out thinking, "Will this be good for Tetris?" And then I thought how strange it was that a few years ago when I bought my K120, my keyboard importance list was:

1. good price
2. good for typing

Now after I started playing Tetris, the list that goes through my head when I'm testing these out is:

1. play Tetris faster?
2. less Tetris misdrops?
3. fingers still comfortable after many tspins?
4. good for typing
5. good price

My friends know me as a pretty rationale guy, so now that I'm almost willing to pay an extra $100 for a mechanical keyboard or a better keyboard layout on a laptop just because of Tetris is a bit crazy for me. lol

What snapped me out of it was when I read that Hebo uses a $10 generic keyboard, too. And it got me thinking . . say, if I wore $200 Lebron James shoes and played basketball against Lebron James wearing $2 Old Navy Flip Flops, Lebron's still going to destroy me. At the end of the day, spending time on skill is way more important than spending money on the tool. (Although, gotta wonder if Hebo DID have a mechanical keyboard . . .)



Posted by: Blink Nov 26 2013, 10:09 PM

Ducky Shine III Cherry MX Red:



Posted by: Shizi Nov 28 2013, 06:08 AM

nah i use mx browns too

das keyboard is the best keyboard iv ever used

Posted by: yotipo91 Mar 22 2014, 12:17 AM

I got a WASD browns

Posted by: simonlc Mar 22 2014, 12:33 AM

A few of mine:

KBC Poker
http://i.imgur.com/7sA0Z.jpg



Filco Majestouch (1) Tenkeyless with browns
http://i.imgur.com/Km7JYjP.jpg



ABS M1 (with leafless simplified Alps) -- my favorite to type on, but keyboard isn't NKRO.
http://i.imgur.com/CGag6AE.jpg



Poker on IBM Model M (also Model M2 peaking in the corner lol)
http://i.imgur.com/H77Mk.jpg

Posted by: caffeine Mar 22 2014, 02:19 AM



Posted by: Integration Mar 23 2014, 10:30 AM

A half year, my E key stopped working on my notebook. Thank god there are programs like Sharpkeys or AutoHotKey. Nonetheless, I bought an external keyboard. Since this is a Tetris forum, I will just describe its effect on Tetris.

Cherry MX Board 3.0 (mechanical keyboard, red switches)

http://www.pcgameshardware.de/screenshots/811x455/2013/07/Cherry_MX-Board_3.0-2-pcgh.jpg
<br>A big disappointment! Firstly, the stroke distance is too long for me. I prefer flat keys. Moreover, it forces me too use slower autorepeat delay settings than usual (I use DAS = 5 in NullpoMino). I will even encounter unintended autorepeats on the highest tuning of Tetris Friends and Tetris Battle. I think it is because the keypress is registered/unregistered when the key is pressed halfway down. Stiffer springs (black or blue switches) might reduce that effect.

I also tried out O-rings because the keyboard was too loud for me. The sound will become more low-pitched but it has no influence on the stroke distance. I also think the keys won't rebound as much as they usually do when hitting the bottom.

Rapoo E9070 (ultraflat wireless keyboard)

http://www.2moroit.co.nz/upload/product_images/311e20ccd751949e1d9662d1e286563c13854.jpg
<br>The keys behave like how I would imagine a keyboard designed for Tetris. The only problem - and that is a very big problem - is that it is wireless! Your keypresses aren't registered immediately (it feels like your screen is some time behind your real input; it has no real influence on DAS though). The more busy your computer, the more severe the input lag. I was able to reduce the lag to a acceptable level in NullpoMino (turned Java process to 1st processor only, turned all other processes to avoid 1st processor; still I feel like it costs me 0.5 to 1 seconds in sprint). On the other hand, the lag is immense in Cultris 2. So my conclusion: Wireless keyboards are a no go for multiplayer Tetris.

tl;dr: I cannot recommend mechanical keyboards for the purpose of Tetris. Instead I can recommend corded flat keyboards.

Problem is: corded flat keyboards are very rare. Can somebody recommend me one? Or do you know where you can order hebo-MAI's keyboard outside of Japan?

Posted by: Extruderx Mar 23 2014, 02:49 PM

Hebo's keyboard is Buffalo's BSKBU03 (you might know that already; I don't know how to order it)
Kero's keyboard is TK-FCP004, it's wired and very flat. You can buy it for around 50$. I hadn't tried either one.
http://k-tai.impress.co.jp/img/ktw/docs/317/642/1.jpg


Posted by: eevor Mar 23 2014, 04:09 PM

QUOTE(Integration @ Mar 23 2014, 10:30 AM) *


I cannot recommend mechanical keyboards for the purpose of Tetris.




I absolutely agree. Mechanical keyboards have to long travel for tetris. Too much In doesn't make such huge difference, but playing on low profile keyboards is definitely better.

Posted by: StS Mar 23 2014, 06:09 PM

QUOTE(eevor @ Mar 23 2014, 06:09 PM) *

I absolutely agree. Mechanical keyboards have to long travel for tetris. Too much In doesn't make such huge difference, but playing on low profile keyboards is definitely better.


I'm slowly coming to this conclusion as well. I'm MDing way more on my mechanical keyboard than I do on my laptop's really flat one.

Posted by: Integration Mar 23 2014, 06:49 PM

To be fair Blink and MicroBlizz use mechanical keyboards and they are not that far away from hebo and kero. I just think mechanical keyboards are not that well suited for us mediocre players who cannot press 3 keys at the same time with lightning speed.

QUOTE(Extruderx @ Mar 23 2014, 05:49 PM) *

Hebo's keyboard is Buffalo's BSKBU03 (you might know that already; I don't know how to order it)
Kero's keyboard is TK-FCP004, it's wired and very flat. You can buy it for around 50$. I hadn't tried either one.

Thanks! I didn't know that already. I just knew that hebo was using some kind of rubber dome(?) keyboard. Judging from the looks I would say kero's keyboard suits me more.

Posted by: poopmo Mar 23 2014, 07:33 PM

Well the red switches are extremely sensitive, they take quite a while to get used too. Especially on cultris which seems to register the shortest of keypresses it was pure torment. After about half a year practising and a good wrist support (I just use a rolled up sock, but it helps a lot!) I'm finally used to it. I can play faster das settings then before (like 5/5 on tf which used to be all over the place on my old keyboards), and learned to type very quietly Sticking Out Tongue.png But in the end I dont really think it was worth the effort and frustration. Maybe other switches are better...

One keyboard I really don't recommend is the cherry stream xt. It has flat laptop style keys and a cord, but registers very slowly (almost felt like a wireless keyboard to me). I have one up for sale if anyones interested though <.<

Posted by: caffeine Mar 23 2014, 08:30 PM

QUOTE(eevor @ Mar 23 2014, 11:09 AM) *

I absolutely agree. Mechanical keyboards have to long travel for tetris. Too much In doesn't make such huge difference, but playing on low profile keyboards is definitely better.


I was going to say something like this. You have to keep in mind that red cherries require very little force to actuate. You can't go by "did it make a noise?" That only means you pressed it all the way down. You don't need to press the keys even half-way down for it to work.

Posted by: simonlc Mar 23 2014, 11:43 PM

I'm not very up to date on the currents of keyboards, but when I was, people claimed that the fastest typers used chiclet style scissor switch keyboards. It's important though that you don't just get a keyboard with flat keys, but one with scissor switches (like a laptop would have).

One of the problems that rubber dome style keyboards, that mechanical keyboards fix, is the actuation point. With mechanical keyboards after you pass the actuation point (usually after the tactile bump or click) the switch is on. This means that from then on, all the way to the bottom out, it's being pressed. If you're holding it down, and lift up a tiny bit, it's still being pressed until you lift it back up past that actuation point.

Rubber domes on the other hand (and a few other types of switches) don't do this. The actuation point is ONLY when you bottom out. If you're not pressing the key completely down, it will not be pressed. This means when you have the key pressed past the tactile bump, the switch can still be off (usually the case in crap keyboards, and old keyboards). This is what lead me to hate them.

Idea: I've had this idea for a while, after seeing a post on someone making http://mykeyboard.co.uk/microswitch/ (similar to the buttons in a mouse). It would be very interesting to see a keyboard/gamepad/thing made from microswitches to play tetris. These would easily be the fastest switches if the device is built right.

Posted by: yotipo91 Mar 24 2014, 11:33 PM

I MD'd alot when I first tried playing but I wanted to try a mech for awhile. Perhaps I could try O-rings to lessen the distance. Regardless I just got my 3rd sub-30 with it.

Posted by: bramski May 12 2014, 01:28 AM

Hey, I've been looking to buy a mechanical keyboard and did quite some research and thought it might be a good place to ask this here.

After some research I conclude I either want blue,brown or red mx switches.
I honestly think Blue's seem very good for tetris due their clicky feel, yet they seem to have a high reset point so for say tapping 3-4 times a second not that good.
Browns are said to be a safe middle road and you can't go wrong, but I honestly am not looking for not going wrong too bad but for going right, and brown's seem to be responsive aswell but not as responsive.
Reds are really twisting my mind, since they seem to be the fastest types of switches to tap with but have no responive feel which I think is quite important.

I currently have a keyboard with rubber dome and this is going to be my first mechanical keyboard.

Thanks

Posted by: Blink May 12 2014, 01:44 AM

You might want to check out this thread:

http://harddrop.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=5417

I've used blacks and reds, and while reds feel more sensitive/quicker to press I find myself misdropping less with black switches while pretty much keeping the same TPM speed.


Posted by: ohitsstef May 12 2014, 05:55 PM

QUOTE(Blink @ May 11 2014, 08:44 PM) *

You might want to check out this thread:

http://harddrop.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=5417

I've used blacks and reds, and while reds feel more sensitive/quicker to press I find myself misdropping less with black switches while pretty much keeping the same TPM speed.



lol thanks for the link

I use browns Smile.png and I love them.

Posted by: ManOfMiracles May 12 2014, 06:26 PM

I use reds right now, but I'll probably switch with my next keyboard. Reds work great in theory, but for tetris, browns might be the best, imo. You know for sure when you actuated the key so you can properly blame it on the lag or not pressing well enough.

I would not recommend blues to a tetris player because they are loud as heck.

Posted by: caffeine May 12 2014, 08:45 PM

I've tried blacks and reds. I prefer red. They have a great feel to them when playing fast.

Posted by: KILLJEFFREY May 13 2014, 02:47 PM

http://elitekeyboards.com/proddata/images/th/fc660m_np_full_th620x400.jpg




http://elitekeyboards.com/products.php?sub=leopold,compact&pid=fc660mcnb. Shes is a beauty. With brown switches, I think.

Posted by: Blitz May 13 2014, 02:56 PM

Has anyone tried Razer green and orange switches for Tetris? They look interesting...
http://www.razerzone.com/razer-mechanical-switches

Posted by: caffeine May 21 2014, 11:11 PM

QUOTE(Blitz @ May 13 2014, 09:56 AM) *

Has anyone tried Razer green and orange switches for Tetris?


I'm currently playing with the Blackwidow Tournament Edition Stealth with orange switches. It definitely feels like an improvement over Cherry reds.

Posted by: farter Sep 15 2014, 08:07 AM

i've been using the one on my laptop for 4 years. it's been with me from when i have 50+s 40L record to 27.75s.

and the right arrow key is never popping up since yesterday.

RIP

Posted by: ZeroT Sep 15 2014, 03:52 PM

Just move to a different spot on the keyboard.
My arrow keys met a similar fate, so I moved to the o k l ; buttons.

Posted by: nostalgianinja Oct 1 2014, 11:39 AM

I'm considering going for brown switches for trying to improve my typing and Tetris speeds. Would it be a good choice? Thinking of getting a CM-Storm Quick Fire Ultimate (my local retailer sells them in white backlight) and I'll probably be keeping my settings for Nullpomino

For those interested: Key configuration as it is now:

up: Hard Drop
down: Soft Drop
Left/Right: Left/Right movement
Z/X: CCW/CW Rotation
Left Shift: Hold
D : 180 flip (for those Tetris games which support)

If I don't use my keyboard, I switch to my Logitech F710.

Hat switches are for movement. I can't use Axis movement at all.
Buttons 0,1 are rotation
Shoulders are hold
and Button 2 is 180 flip for those Tetris games which support 180 rotation

I keep to a common configuration all round due to the fact that I use the same keys for Tetris as I do for PuyoVS.

Posted by: ohitsstef Oct 1 2014, 07:22 PM

QUOTE(nostalgianinja @ Oct 1 2014, 06:39 AM) *

I'm considering going for brown switches for trying to improve my typing and Tetris speeds. Would it be a good choice? Thinking of getting a CM-Storm Quick Fire Ultimate (my local retailer sells them in white backlight) and I'll probably be keeping my settings for Nullpomino




My das keyboard has brown switches and imo it's really nice.
When I first started playing on it, I had to work my way back to my old settings so it might take awhile to adjust.

Posted by: M_Bison Oct 2 2014, 01:10 AM

Im using a combination of brown and blue switches at the moment. I found browns to be much better than blues for directional movements, but I am going to change to reds for directional movements soon and see how they compare Hot.png

- Jono

Posted by: farter Oct 9 2014, 04:55 PM

beside the keyboard, i think frame rate makes more sense...
"for fast gameplay, 60 is far too few, neither is 120... the das is too inaccurate"
(from some monsters using ~50ms das)

before reaching dat speed, keyboard's doesn't seem to be so important imo.

(3000fps game engine wip (i've played xael's 40l, nice but lack of multi-rotation-system support))

Posted by: nostalgianinja Oct 13 2014, 11:19 AM

QUOTE(ohitsstef @ Oct 1 2014, 07:22 PM) *

QUOTE(nostalgianinja @ Oct 1 2014, 06:39 AM) *

I'm considering going for brown switches for trying to improve my typing and Tetris speeds. Would it be a good choice? Thinking of getting a CM-Storm Quick Fire Ultimate (my local retailer sells them in white backlight) and I'll probably be keeping my settings for Nullpomino




My das keyboard has brown switches and imo it's really nice.
When I first started playing on it, I had to work my way back to my old settings so it might take awhile to adjust.


So my retailer didn't have the brown switches of time of purchase. I got myself a blue switch of the same keyboard (CM-Storm QuickFire Ultimate). is it still good for Tetris? Only thing I know different from brown and blue switches is that it has the click and bump style.

Posted by: caffeine Oct 13 2014, 08:42 PM

Red/black is usually preferred because they are linear, but I've heard some raving reviews over brown/blue. Remember to follow your dreams.

Posted by: PolarisTR Oct 14 2014, 12:38 PM

Reds are just crazy for tetris (if you're fast). The first time I used reds I went from 39-36 seconds sprint. If you like typing though, do NOT get these as you will typo every other word because the key actuation point is so low, I cannot remember if these are loud or not.

Browns are my favourite. Quite a bit harder to play tetris (literally) after using reds but you can type and after a few sessions you get back into the swing of things, these are also quite and you probably won't wake a neighbor or sleeping parent.

Blues are a tiny bit harder (5 grams I believe) than the browns so you tend not to notice, but they are MUCH louder (I woke my dad up many times in the night whilst training back in the day).

All in all I recommend the reds for Tetris, purely because my 26 sprint record is with them and I can remember just how amazingly fast they are to use.

These are the only colors I've used so far, I hope this gives people a general idea.



Posted by: nostalgianinja Oct 23 2014, 05:33 PM

Okay, so my keyboard arrived today. I set the polling rate to 1ms and put the rollover rate to nkro. I found a significant difference playing with the QuickFire Ultimate. Score may not be at the best, but this is the fastest marathon time I've done with Nullpomino. I also felt a significant difference since shifting over to this keyboard.

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Man, it also feels brilliant to type on this keyboard. The blue switch still makes it feel satisfying as ever. I guess once you go mechanical you never go back?

Posted by: Kinac Nov 30 2014, 02:09 PM

So I have a choice of 2 keyboards. A laptop keyboard and a really cheap rubber dome. Which should I use for Tetris?

Posted by: ZeroT Nov 30 2014, 09:26 PM

The keyboard on my bigger laptop isn't actually that bad, in fact ive sub27d once with it. However, the keyboard on my chromebook is the worst I've ever used! Depends on the quality of your rubber dome and your laptop. When I first started playing, I had a terrible wireless rubber dome, and Id take my laptop keyboard over that any day.

Posted by: Blink Dec 24 2015, 05:20 PM

Anyone have experience with Topre switches? How would you describe their feel?
I'm looking at:
http://gaming.coolermaster.com/en/products/keyboards/novatouchtkl/

Posted by: myndzi Dec 25 2015, 12:22 AM

I talked a bunch on the shoutbox, but I'll summarize here:

Comfortable, accurate tactile feedback. Confident typing.

Topre switches actually have a (good quality) rubber dome with a spring beneath it, so the "buckling" feeling of a regular rubber dome keyboard is similar to how the tactile feedback feels -- but Topre uses capacative keyswitches so that the point of activation is at the point where the rubber buckles, not where the bottom of the dome touches the bottom of the surface below it. The spring itself is also not part of actuation, as in the model m ("clicky") keyboard -- it's just there to soften the landing. I find it makes the keypress feel heavier than, say, Cherry browns, but it's actually equal or lighter on the pinky and ring finger columns.

Topre is my absolute favorite for typing, but I still tend to pull out my Filco for Tetris. I still could heartily recommend Topre as a brand to just about anybody, and I guess you'd just have to try it to see if you like it better or worse than Cherry for games.

Posted by: Fruitspunchsamurai Jan 10 2016, 09:16 PM

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Poker on IBM Model M (also Model M2 peaking in the corner lol)
http://i.imgur.com/H77Mk.jpg



Blue label model m Gasp.png asdsdafagd... jelly

Posted by: Blink Jan 10 2016, 10:24 PM

Okay it's done it's done:

https://scontent-lax3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xfl1/t31.0-8/12469444_10208650379956341_5727381142118426192_o.jpg




Novatouch TKL with Topre switches.
Silence mod: http://imgur.com/gallery/iGzCV
Vortex Doubleshot PBT Keycaps

Overall about $250 and 4 hours of labor - so let me show it off!

I love how it feels, my new favorite keyboard. I've been using Cherry MX for the past 5 years and I really enjoy typing and gaming on these, especially with how quiet they are.

Posted by: Danieru Feb 15 2016, 09:45 PM

Toshiba Satellite L50.
http://www.soundstore.ie/images/productImages//Zoom/L50DB13C.jpg

Posted by: poopmo Mar 29 2016, 02:33 PM

http://i.imgur.com/YwkZ5sP.jpg


Upgraded from my old corsair k60 with red switches to this ducky shine 3 with black switches. Really liking it so far! The keycaps seem to have some kind of coating on them which feels a lot nicer than the glossy plastic they used on my old corsair. Also digging the black switches. After 3 years of using red switches they still felt a little too light for my taste: they're good for gaming, but require a lot of restraint while typing, especially if you don't like bottoming out. The black switches feel more solid and are more comfortable to type on. The keyboard also has adjustable DAS and repeat rate on the F keys which works really well in cultris since you can set your DAS somewhere between 4.5 and 5, but it does make the pieces stutter a little in TF when you softdrop. Would definitely recommend: it's relatively cheap for a mechanical keyboard but feels very high quality (it also comes with an extra, more understated spacebar.) Thumbs Up.png

Posted by: jkwon23 Aug 23 2016, 04:24 PM

$9.99 amazonbasics keyboard
https://www.amazon.com/AmazonBasics-KU-0833-Wired-Keyboard/dp/B005EOWBHC

Posted by: beggar Aug 24 2016, 05:22 PM

i plan to get this for a nice fit on the right hand
http://www.razerzone.com/gaming-keyboards-keypads/razer-tartarus-chroma



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Posted by: woobina Aug 25 2016, 03:14 PM

QUOTE(Blink @ Jan 10 2016, 10:24 PM) *

Okay it's done it's done:

https://scontent-lax3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xfl1/t31.0-8/12469444_10208650379956341_5727381142118426192_o.jpg





Novatouch TKL with Topre switches.
Silence mod: http://imgur.com/gallery/iGzCV
Vortex Doubleshot PBT Keycaps

Overall about $250 and 4 hours of labor - so let me show it off!

I love how it feels, my new favorite keyboard. I've been using Cherry MX for the past 5 years and I really enjoy typing and gaming on these, especially with how quiet they are.


That's a beautiful looking keyboard.
Post some vids on your youtube channel would love to see/hear it.

Posted by: henrybros Aug 26 2016, 01:26 PM

Probably an Arcacade Joystick will do too.
Something like this?: http://shop.xgaming.com/collections/arcade-joysticks

QUOTE(beggar @ Aug 24 2016, 05:22 PM) *

i plan to get this for a nice fit on the right hand
http://www.razerzone.com/gaming-keyboards-keypads/razer-tartarus-chroma

Wow. Just great.

Posted by: Danieru Aug 29 2016, 10:36 PM

I use the Microsoft wired keyboard 600.

Pros: 1. Durability of the keys as they last longer than 3 years
2. Nice feel and not too straining on the hands.

Cons: 1. Sometimes it's hard to find the correct hand position because of the slight downward slant in the keys.
2. It isn't mechanical and can sometimes be quite loud when playing tetris or typing swiftly.

https://i.ytimg.com/vi/AZQOTQpIp8A/maxresdefault.jpg


Posted by: cn_ Oct 2 2016, 12:00 PM

http://i.imgur.com/mOduARr.jpg


Leopold FC 660M, Cherry Brown

Posted by: simonlc Jan 3 2019, 06:42 PM

QUOTE(cn_ @ Oct 2 2016, 12:00 PM) *


Leopold FC 660M, Cherry Brown

Nice, I got the Topre version of this board, the FC660C.

https://i.imgur.com/LVamcMI.jpg

Posted by: BrittanyAustin Apr 17 2019, 08:18 AM

I would recommend you CORSAIR, I like every part of it. I have this keyboard only cherry MX red form, it's a https://www.cuou.net/best-budget-gaming-keyboard.html suitable for typing and gaming.

This is my first mechanical keyboard, and I think it will be a bright future between me and the pirates. The keys are bright because the red LEDs are accompanied by a red background, the keys are fast, and the sound is great. They are not as loud as I thought, and this is also an advantage. I can't say the life of the key, but according to the cherry, they have 80 million buttons.

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