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> The 6-3 Split: does it work and is it worth it?
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larrytetris
post Dec 6 2010, 07:41 AM
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QUOTE(crzy242 @ Dec 5 2010, 06:34 AM) *

i dont get a mention? im saddened.


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Larry can polymer spin and reinvent tetris itself while he plays
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post Dec 6 2010, 09:24 AM
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post Dec 6 2010, 09:33 AM
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So is this really worth learning? I can get a left-side stack up at around 2.1 TPS*, will this really improve my speed?

*consistently, can go about 2.4 maximum
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post Dec 6 2010, 10:07 AM
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QUOTE(coolmaninsano @ Dec 6 2010, 09:33 AM) *

So is this really worth learning?


More importantly, does it matter?

I assume your goal is to get better at multiplayer, having been motivated by suggestions for speeding up in your TTO commentator remarks. If you reduce key presses only in sprint, it's meaningless for multiplayer; you'd have to 6-3 in multiplayer.

In other words, the only improvement in Sprint that makes it worth it in multiplayer would be lower mKPS given the same stacking style.


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post Dec 6 2010, 10:31 AM
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QUOTE(larrytetris @ Dec 6 2010, 02:07 AM) *

I assume your goal is to get better at multiplayer, having been motivated by suggestions for speeding up in your TTO commentator remarks.


Yeah, I am trying to improve my APM in multiplayer. My current strategy (as it seems) is open with a multiple t-spin setup, then just DS through garbage and do random TSDs whenever I can, hoping one will spike my opponent. I do think something like this is a better option than what I do now, and I'm willing to take time to learn it, if it's proven best.
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post Dec 6 2010, 10:57 AM
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QUOTE(larrytetris @ Dec 6 2010, 09:07 PM) *

More importantly, does it matter?

I assume your goal is to get better at multiplayer, having been motivated by suggestions for speeding up in your TTO commentator remarks. If you reduce key presses only in sprint, it's meaningless for multiplayer; you'd have to 6-3 in multiplayer.

In other words, the only improvement in Sprint that makes it worth it in multiplayer would be lower mKPS given the same stacking style.


In multiplayer people only use it in their opening burst, until garbage comes


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post Dec 6 2010, 07:20 PM
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Thank you for answering my question. I will continue to experiment with what I like. The two tied WR holders use two different styles which was the main confusion for me. I will use this to try to improve my tetris skills more biggrin.gif:D:D
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post Dec 6 2010, 08:29 PM
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@larry not only is this the best for 40L but it is the best tetris stack when working from a clear screen.

I think free-form can be better but it requires some decisive playing which defeats the purpose of free-form.


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post Dec 19 2010, 02:00 PM
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Cool topic! Gonna try..

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37..
HoN time.
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post Dec 19 2010, 04:34 PM
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QUOTE(LapSiLap @ Dec 19 2010, 08:00 AM) *

Cool topic! Gonna try..

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HoN time.

New world record in 3, 2, 1...

And no using Tetris Friends! That one's not fast enough.
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post Dec 19 2010, 04:36 PM
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Wow, great work caffeine. I have some things to add.

Free-form has better stats than stacking for tetrises, but you neglected to mention line-clear delay, which exists in many Tetris games. Line clear delay is one of the biggest reasons to go for all Tetrises with no skimming.

I've talked about this before on chats and stuff, but when your goal is to make a 40-lines record, it doesn't really matter how many times you fail. For this reason, even if you can't pull it off once in a hundred times, you can just think of all of those as practice. Keep shunning hold and stacking the best way you can unless it presents a problem for you processing-wise.

And processing is the other reason that what you termed free-form stacking is maybe not as good as its stats claim. I can't quite put my finger on it, but I've always found it to be harder / slower to play that way. I suspect it has something to do with visual perception; dropping pieces and having some of them disappear somehow makes it harder to re-orient, even though the stack shape is no different than if the lines didn't go away. On top of that, there's vertical distance to look between your next pieces. I won't count soft drop speed here since I am talking about the optimal 40-lines game. It may very well be that this, like 6-3 stacking, is just something that can be "gotten over" with practice and work, but I don't know that it would be worth it even if you could do it fluidly... and there's something rather more satisfying about spamming Tetrises anyway wink.gif

Anyway, it would be interesting to see if someone could get good enough at the non-standard "free-form" style play to make significant 40-lines progress, but even your own measurements seem to suggest that 6-3 with just tetrises beats it.

With regards to multiplayer, consistency becomes more important than speed, but on the other hand you aren't stacking 40 lines off the bat. A better argument against using this in multiplayer is that Tetris starts are the least efficient and you'd probably benefit more from learning other openings.


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post Dec 19 2010, 05:19 PM
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31.03 now biggrin.gif but bad end.....toook me like 2 secs for the last 2 lines :[
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post Dec 20 2010, 12:51 AM
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Free-form stacking is actually easier for beginners than other methods of stacking (from what I have seen). You probably just aren't accustomed to it after playing with a gap for so long.

I actually think free-form can be more efficient than 6-3. It depends on your luck. or you can literally try practicing using as few key presses as possible.


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post Dec 20 2010, 02:28 AM
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I will learn this method on keyblox before I die.


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post Dec 20 2010, 02:33 AM
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QUOTE(solo2001 @ Dec 20 2010, 02:28 AM) *

I will learn this method on keyblox before I die.


Be sure to post your records in the 300tPM challenge thread ;x


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